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What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of “humility.” This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

A. Einstein

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Kaj je pa zate vrhunec življenja oziroma, kaj je zate smisel življenja?

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Ne vem no, razmnozevanje kot tako gre dokaj dobro od migetalk tudi amebam, pa tudi kaj prav pretiranega ti ni treba narediti in dosezti, da si ga sposoben? Definitnvno mi ne pade niti pod smisel, niti pod vrhunec zivljenja. Stephen Hawking nikoli ni imenl, in ne bo imel otrok, pa se mi zdi, da je naredil precej vec, kot pa sosedova Micka ki je Janezu ze stiri iztisnila iz sebe?

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Pa še tebi v razmislek:


Pozorno preberi še enkrat tale tvoj copy&paste-an seznam zgodovinskih osebnosti.

Veliko teh ljudi je bilo v hudih sporih s cerkvijo in so se "po takratnih standardih" cvrli v peklu. Keppler, Galileo... Ironično, kaj? Sploh to, da so danes reklama za to isto religijo, ki jim je grenila (in marsikomu tudi končala) življenje.


Mrtve ljudi je tako enostavno versko rehabilitirati... Tudi če so vse življenje trdili, da so brighti, tik pred smrtjo so se pa zagotovo spreobrnili, a ne? Bolano...

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Sej mene ne moti, če nekdo verjame v neko takšno ali drugačno nadnaravno silo, če to hoče ali mu je tako lažje. Odločitev vsakega posameznika. Osebno sem sicer mnenja, da do tega prihaja, ker ljudje včasih težko sprejmejo odgovornost za posledice preteklih ali prihodnjih odločitev in zato to prevalijo na usodo, boga, nadnaravno silo,,,itd. Ampak če jim je tako lažje ok. Moti me pa da nekdo demantira neke trditve brez kakršnikolih dokazov.

Znanost seveda ne ve vsega, zna pa marsikaj pojasniti in iz dneva v dan napreduje. Vreme se da z nekim odstotkom napovedati za teden dni vnaprej- verjetno je ta odstotek višji kot 15 let nazaj čez 15 let pa bo še boljši.

Raziskavi, ki jo je jernej prej omenil bi pa povsem verjel. in tudi avtorja lepo zaključita da se manj inteligentni ljudje prej zatečejo k religiji. Nekdo z visokim IQ-jem bo skeptičen do "resnic" ki jih prodajajo religije in bo želel razlage, dokaze,ozadje,... religije pa temeljijo na prepričanjih in ne dopuščajo dvoma, ker nimajo oprijemljivih dokazov za svoje trditve ali zgodbe, kakorkoli jih že poimenujemo.

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Uporabnik Jernej pravi:Popolnoma razumem, kako potencialno žaljive so te misli, še bolj zato, ker so podkrepljene z znanstvenimi raziskavami. Je pa to zgolj dokaz, da povprečno "stanje duha" svetovnega prebivalstva še zdaleč ni pripravljeno na ideje, ki sta jih lepo povzela Darjan in Commodore.

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Pa se manjsa podrobnost iz tvojega link in oh in sploh relevantne raziskave:
Atheists were third highest in the study overall, behind Jews and Anglicans.

Pa je sla teorija o nadpovprecni inteligentih ateistih po vodi

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Obračaš temo. Ti trdiš, da nekdo religiozen ni sposoben racionalno - znanstenega razmisleka in metodologije, ker naj bi bil preveč indoktriniran in naj bi imel zaradi tega omejen pogled. Eazy ti je podal seznam ljudi, ki so bili veliki znanstveniki in so bili hkrati religiozni.

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Obračaš temo. Ti trdiš, da nekdo religiozen ni sposoben racionalno - znanstenega razmisleka in metodologije, ker naj bi bil preveč indoktriniran in naj bi imel zaradi tega omejen pogled. Eazy ti je podal seznam ljudi, ki so bili veliki znanstveniki in so bili hkrati religiozni.

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pozabljas, kdaj so ti ljudje ziveli

sodoben znanstvenik, ki je z umom in srcem pri znanosti, racionalno razmislja in ni veren. dejstvo. preprosto ni prostora v znanosti za boga. ali eno ali drugo. svet je v resnici bolj crnobel kot se zdi.

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Physicists
Petrus Alphonsi, Spanish-born astronomer and doctor [1]
Edward Neville da Costa Andrade (JYB 1977 p207)
Sir Michael Berry [6], mathematical physicist (JYB 2005 p214)
Moses Blackman (JYB 1977 p207)
David Bohm,[2] physicist, philosopher
Sir Hermann Bondi [7], Austrian-born British cosmologist
Max Born [8], [9], physicist, Nobel Prize 1954 (converted to Lutheranism) (JYB 2000 p212 - list of Jewish Nobel Prizewinners)
Samuel Devons, physicist (JYB 2005 p214)
Cyril Domb [10], physicist, President of Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists
Paul Eisler [11] [12], inventor of printed circuit board
Michael Fisher [13]
Otto Robert Frisch [14] (JYB 1980 p182)
Herbert Frohlich (JYB 1990 p201)
Dennis Gabor [15] [16] Nobel Prize for Physics 1971; British.
Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: "In 1946 Dennis Gabor became a naturalized British citizen."
Sir David Lionel Goldsmid-Stern-Salomons [17], scientist and inventor
Jeffrey Goldstone (JYB 2005 p214)
Ian Grant (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Peter Hirsch, physicist (JYB 2005 p213, 214)
Herbert Huppert, 1987 (JYB 2005 p214)
Brian David Josephson [18], physicist, Nobel Prize (1973)
George Kalmus, 1988 (JYB 2005 p214)
Andrew Keller [19]
Olga Kennard, crystallographer 1987 (JYB 2005 p214)
Rudolf Kompfner [3], invented traveling wave tube
Hans Kronberger (physicist)[4], nuclear physicist
Nicholas Kurti [20], physicist, Vice-President of the Royal Society 1965-67. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:
"study at the university was open to him, despite being a Jew ... Kurti became a naturalized British citizen just before the outbreak of the Second World War"
Frederick Lindemann, 1st Viscount Cherwell [21], physicist and politician
Henry Lipson (JYB 1990 p201)
Sir Ben Lockspeiser (JYB 1990 p201)
Stanley Mandelstam (JYB 2005 p214)
Kurt Mendelssohn (Encyclopaedia Judaica 13:492)
Leon Mestel, astronomer (Who's Who entry & JYB 2000 p211)
F.R. Nunes Nabarro (JYB 2005 p214)
Rudolf Peierls (JYB 1995 p193)
Michael Pepper (JYB 2005 p214)
Douglas Ross [22]
Sir Joseph Rotblat [23], physicist, Nobel Peace Prize (1995)
Arthur Schuster (Encyclopedia Judaica, 14:1012]]
Dennis Sciama, FRS [24], cosmologist
David Shoenberg, physics of low temperatures (JYB 1995 p193)
Sir Francis Simon, 1941 (Encyclopedia Judaica, 14:1578)
David Tabor (JYB 2005 p214)
Samuel Tolansky, spectroscopist
Concise Dictionary of National Biography: "son of Lithuanian-Jewish immigrants"
Felix Weinberg (JYB 2005 p214)
Michael Woolfson, crystallographer, computer simulation 1984 (JYB 2005 p214)
Alec David Young, aero-engineer (JYB 2005 p214)
John Ziman [25]
[edit] Chemists
Herbert Brown, chemist (JYB 2005 p215) Born in London - see refs in article
Sir Arnold Burgen (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Roy Calne (JYB 2005 p214)
Jack David Dunitz [26], chemist
Martin Fleischmann [5], chemist
Rosalind Franklin [27], physical chemist and crystalographer, helped to discover structure of DNA
Eugen Glueckauf (JYB 1980 p182)
Sir Ian Heilbron (Encyclopedia Judaica 8:262)
Walter Heitler [28]
Sir Aaron Klug [29], physicist & chemist, Nobel Prize (1982) (JYB 2000 p211-2)
Harold Kroto [30], discoverer of buckminsterfullerene, Nobel Prize (1996) (Jewish father; raised Jewish)
Raphael Meldola (Encyclopaedia Judaica 11:1290)
Alfred Mond, chemist 1928 (Encyclopaedia Judaica 4:1298, 12:241)
Ludwig Mond [31], chemist & industrialist
Sir Robert Mond, chemist and archaeologist (Encyclopaedia Judaica, art. Mond)
Albert Neuberger [32], chemical pathologist
father of Prof. James Neuberger, Lord Justice Sir David Neuberger and Prof. Michael Neuberger, and father-in-law of Julia Neuberger
Friedrich Paneth (Encyclopaedia Judaica 13:54)
Sir Max Perutz [33], molecular biologist, Nobel Prize (1962)
Michael Polanyi [34], chemist; naturalised British 1939 (Dictionary of National Biography)
Ralph Raphael (JYB 1995 p193)
Michael Rossmann [35]
Anthony Segal, 1998 (JYB 2005 p214)
Franz Sondheimer, organic chemist (JYB 2005 p214)
Michael Szwarc, polymer chemistry (Encyclopedia Judaica, 15:670]]
[6],
Dr Nikita Poltavsky, and his wife Denise Mancheste.
Chaim Weizmann, acetone production (First President of Israel)
[edit] Biologists
Saul Adler (JYB 1960 p216)
Ephraim Anderson [36], microbiologist
Charlotte Auerbach (JYB 1977 p207)
Walter Bodmer [37], geneticist
Gustav Victor Rudolf Born [38], Professor of Pharmacology
Sydney Brenner [39], molecular biologist, Nobel Prize (2002)
Leslie Brent: TimesAd
Edith Bülbring,[7] pharmacologist (Jewish mother)
Sir Ernst Chain [40], co-developer of penicillin, Nobel Prize (1945)
Sir Philip Cohen [41], biologist
Sydney Cohen, pathologist (JYB 2005 p214, 230)
Emanuel Mendes da Costa [42], 18th century botanist
Julius Dreschfeld [8], medical researcher
Raymond Dwek, biologist (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Michael Epstein, co-discoverer of the Epstein-Barr virus (JYB 2005 p214)
Wilhelm Feldberg (JYB 1977 p207) biologist
Sir Alan Fersht [43], protein folding
Sir Otto Frankel, geneticist[9]
Ian Glynn (JYB 2005 p214)
Professor Sir Abraham Goldberg, Regius Professor of Medicine, University of Glasgow and world authority on porphyria [10]
Susan Greenfield, Baroness Greenfield [44], neuroscientist and writer (Jewish father)
Hans Gruneberg (JYB 1967 p208) biologist
Sir Ludwig Guttmann[11], neurologist
Sir Henry Harris (Encyclopedia Judaica 4:138]])
Philip D'Arcy Hart [45], medical researcher
Sir Gabriel Horn (JYB 2005 p214)
Alick Isaacs [46] [47], virologist, interferon
David Ish-Horowicz, 2002 (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Bernard Katz [48], biophysicist, Nobel Prize (1970)
David Keilin [49], entomologist
Sir Hans Kornberg, 1965 (JYB 2005 p214)
Hans Kosterlitz [50]
Sir Hans Adolf Krebs [51], biochemist, Nobel Prize (1953)
Sir John Krebs [12], zoologist
Roland Levinsky [13], biologist
Michael Levitt [52]
Hans Lissmann (JYB 1995 p193)
Joel Mandelstam (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Michael Marmot, epidemiologist (JYB 2005 213)
César Milstein [53], immunologist, Nobel Prize (1984)
Leslie Orgel [54], evolutionary biologist
Guido Pontecorvo, 1955 (JYB 1995 p193)
Juda Quastel [55]
Ivan Roitt, immunologist 1983 (JYB 2005 p214) (JYB 2000 p211)
Steven Rose [56], biologist
Sir Martin Roth, psychiatrist (JYB 2005 p214)
Dame Miriam Louisa Rothschild [57], entomologist
Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild 1953 (JYB 1990 p199,202,259)
Oliver Sacks [58], neurologist and author
Isaac de Sequeira Samuda [59] (first Jewish FRS; elected 1727)
John Vane [60], pharmacologist, Nobel Prize (1982) (Jewish father)
Lawrence Weiskrantz, psychologist (JYB 2005 p214)
Robert Winston, Baron Winston [61], fertility expert and broadcaster
Lewis Wolpert [62], developmental biologist and broadcaster
Lord Solly Zuckerman, anatomist, evolutionist (JYB 1965 p214)
[edit] Mathematicians and statisticians
Abraham Manie Adelstein [14], statistician
Hertha Ayrton [15], mathematician and engineer
Laurence Baxter, statistician[16]
Abram Besicovitch [63], Russian-born British mathematician (karaite)
Selig Brodetsky [17], mathematician and President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews
Jacob Bronowski [64], mathematician & broadcaster
Paul Cohn, algebraist [18]
H.E. Daniels [19], statistician
Philip Dawid [65], statistician
Arthur Erdelyi [20], mathematician
John Fox, statistician
Albrecht Frohlich [66]
David Glass [21], demographer
Sir Samuel Goldman [22], British Government statistician
Sydney Goldstein [67], expert on fluid mechanics
Benjamin Gompertz [68], mathematician
Eugene Grebenik [69], demographer
Steven Haberman [70], professor of actuarial science
John Hajnal, demographer (JYB 2005 p215)
Hans Heilbronn (JYB 1977, p207)
Marie Jahoda [71], psychologist
Thomas Körner, mathematician [23]
Ruth Lawrence [72], mathematician & child prodigy
Leone Levi [73], statistician
Kurt Mahler, mathematician (JYB 2005 p214)
Sir Claus Moser [74], statistician
Louis Mordell [75], number theorist
Bernhard Neumann, 1959 (JYB 2005 p214)
Richard Rado [76], mathematician
Klaus Roth [77], mathematician, Fields Medal (1958)
Bernard Silverman, statistician [78]
David Spiegelhalter, statistician (JYB 2007 p.198)
James Joseph Sylvester [79], mathematician
[edit] Computer scientists
Samson Abramsky, computer scientist (JYB 2007 p.198)
David Deutsch [80], quantum computing pioneer
I.J. Good [81], cryptographer, philosopher of statistics & computing pioneer
David Levy [82], computer chess expert
Leo Marks [83], cryptographer & screenwriter
Max Newman [84], mathematician & computing pioneer (Jewish father)
Gordon Plotkin [85], computer scientist
Leslie Valiant [86], computer scientist parallel computation
[edit] Economists
Lord Bauer [87], economist
Samuel Brittan, economist
Charles Goodhart,[24] Bank of England economist
Noreena Hertz [88], economist & activist
Richard Kahn, Baron Kahn [89], economist: multiplier
Nicholas Kaldor [90], economist
Michael Kidron, South African born Marxist economist, writer, cartographer and publisher.
Israel Kirzner [91], economist (UK-born)
Ludwig Lachmann, economist[25]
Harold Laski, economist (The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, ed Geoffrey Wigoder, 5th ed 1977, pp. 1182–3)
Alexander Nove, economist (JYB 1990 p202)
Sigbert Prais, economist (JYB 2005 p215)
David Ricardo [92], economist (converted to Quakerism)
Arthur Seldon [93], economist
Sir Hans Singer, economist; The Economist, March 11 2006 p95: "born a Jew"
Piero Sraffa [94], economist
Basil Yamey, economist (JYB 2005 p215,315)
[edit] Social scientists
Roy Clive Abraham [26], linguist
Michael Balint [95], psychoanalyst (converted to Unitarianism)
Zygmunt Bauman [96], sociologist
Basil Bernstein [97], linguist
Vernon Bogdanor, professor of politics (JYB 2005 pp215,223)
Georgina Born, anthropologist (daughter of Gustav Victor Rudolf Born&#8206
Gerald Cohen, Professor of Social and Political Theory (JYB 2005 p215)
Norbert Elias[27], sociologist
Herman Finer [28], political scientist
Samuel Finer [29], political scientist
Sir Moses I. Finley [30], historian and sociologist
Meyer Fortes, anthropologist (JYB 1980 p183)
Eduard Fraenkel, philologist [31]
Anna Freud [98], child psychoanalyst
Norman Geras [99], professor of Government
"You are a Jewish, Zimbabwean, Mancunian philosopher... I have lived in Manchester more than half my life and am very much at home here."
Morris Ginsberg [100]
Max Gluckman, anthropologist (JYB 1975 p213)
Theodor Goldstücker [32], orientalist
Jean Gottmann [33], professor of geography, Oxford University
Julius Gould, sociologist (JYB 2005 p249)
Frank H. Hahn, economist
Paul Hirst [101], social theorist (Jewish mother)
Marie Jahoda [102], psychology of discrimination
Melanie Klein [103], psychotherapist
Paul Klemperer, economist
Geoffrey Lewis Lewis, professor of Turkish (JYB 2005 p215)
Steven Lukes, political scientist (JYB 2005 p215)
Ashley Montagu [104], anthropologist & humanist
Nikolas Rose, Martin White Professor Sociology, LSE.
Isaac Schapera, anthropologist (JYB 2005 p215)
Roger Silverstone, first professor of Media Sociology, LSE.
Edward Ullendorff, linguist (JYB 2005 p215)

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ja. katolika sta zaradi vzgoje. resnicno vrjameta v boga?

glede na to, da sta kvantna fizika, si tega ne morta privoscit

pa ne govorim o samem nazivu ampak o naravi kvantne fizike

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