[Formula 1] VN Belgije - Spa Francorchamps

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bborst

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19. avg 2007
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Če smo pa že tako pedantni, kje so bili pa komisarji na začetku dirke, ko je Kimi prehiteval Masso. Massa je bil na desni strani, Kimi na levi vzporedno in ga je še kar na desno izrival iz steze.
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slvn

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On Lap 8 we were racing again and Ralf Schumacher managed to back the field up without doing it dangerously and sprint away from Fisichella at the re-start. Michael Schumacher was immediately past Christian Klien and up into 6th place.

A lap later and Fernando Alonso was keen to get past him too. The Spaniard was late on the brakes for the chicane and missed it, getting in front of the Red Bull driver by his short-cut. Alonso allowed Klien back in front on the straight (as he should, having made an illegal pass while not on the circuit) but it was only momentarily as Alonso was able to outbrake him before Turn 1.

Alonso immediately got onto the tail of Schumacher in 6th as Raikkonen fought his way past Massa for 11th. He didn’t have to bother with Pizzonia as the Brazilian managed to dump his BMW-Williams into the gravel on the outside of Degna 2.

Then, on Lap 10, Alonso fell back from Schumacher and slowed as he came down the straight. Was this a Renault engine failure (a novelty in 2005)? No, apparently Race Director Charlie Whiting wasn’t happy with the way Alonso had used the chicane to overtake Klien. The Spaniard had not given Klien the kind of advantage he would have had, if he had to follow him all the way through the chicane i.e. he was artificially close.

So as Alonso gave his place back, Raikkonen closed up behind him in 9th.

xXx? 2005? Ferrari?
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Ni ti potrebno posebej poudarjati, da se je boril proti ferrariju. 2005 ferrarija nikjer ni bilo
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To so bili lepi casi
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jakovski

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Kimi ni nikogar zaprl, hamilton se je probal silit skozi nemogoče. Enostavni bi zabremzal pa bi zvozil, ampak je lepo trznil v levo, da je lepo zapeljal mimo šikane. Če bi bil tam zid, se ziher ne bi rinil.

Da bi Kimi izsilil Hamija, pa bi moral le-ta biti za polovico avtomobila spredaj, kar pa nikoli ni bil.
 

wacko

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Alonsa so opozorili, Lewisu so potrdili, da je ok in ga po dirki kaznovali...
 

xXx

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On Lap 8 we were racing again and Ralf Schumacher managed to back the field up without doing it dangerously and sprint away from Fisichella at the re-start. Michael Schumacher was immediately past Christian Klien and up into 6th place.

A lap later and Fernando Alonso was keen to get past him too. The Spaniard was late on the brakes for the chicane and missed it, getting in front of the Red Bull driver by his short-cut. Alonso allowed Klien back in front on the straight (as he should, having made an illegal pass while not on the circuit) but it was only momentarily as Alonso was able to outbrake him before Turn 1.

Alonso immediately got onto the tail of Schumacher in 6th as Raikkonen fought his way past Massa for 11th. He didn’t have to bother with Pizzonia as the Brazilian managed to dump his BMW-Williams into the gravel on the outside of Degna 2.

Then, on Lap 10, Alonso fell back from Schumacher and slowed as he came down the straight. Was this a Renault engine failure (a novelty in 2005)? No, apparently Race Director Charlie Whiting wasn’t happy with the way Alonso had used the chicane to overtake Klien. The Spaniard had not given Klien the kind of advantage he would have had, if he had to follow him all the way through the chicane i.e. he was artificially close.

So as Alonso gave his place back, Raikkonen closed up behind him in 9th.

xXx? 2005? Ferrari?
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Ni ti potrebno posebej poudarjati, da se je boril proti ferrariju. 2005 ferrarija nikjer ni bilo
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To so bili lepi casi
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2006 se je boril proti Ferrariju, 2005 proti McLarenu, malo zamešal moja napaka.

In še zanimivo Lauda kaj je reku o tem za koga FIA navija:

The Austrian legend said that Hamilton's penalty made him start to believe suggestions that the authorities favoured Ferrari.

"In the past, there have always been rumours and stories – and I've always been completely against them because they've never been proven – that Ferrari, because of its past and history, was always against McLaren with the stewards and the FIA, who if there was a decision, were in favour of Ferrari," said Lauda.

"I've always said this is bulls**t, that this is a sport and you have to be neutral, but the decision yesterday makes me believe that everyone is watching Ferrari in a positive way and McLaren in a very negative way.

"What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done."

Lauda reckons that the events of Spa underline the need for permanent race stewards who attend every grand prix.

"I think the first thing that should happen is to try to train stewards of the meeting to understand the sport and the issues that drivers need to know," he said.

"If you change them all the time, then new people are coming in who don't seem to have a clue."

He believes the stewards misinterpreted Hamilton's actions and thought he had placed his McLaren advantageously when letting Raikkonen back through.

"They understood the rules, but they thought that the slipstream was the advantage and that Lewis did not lift enough," said Lauda.

"This is completely wrong: there was no slipstream involved.

"He tried to pass on the left but Kimi moved over, then he passed on the right because he braked later – without any slipstream.

"It's unbelievable how the best driver in yesterday's race makes no mistakes and only gets six points."
 

slvn

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Takrat so bili potemtakem nakonjeni mclarnu. Prasci!!
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Kaj pac. Ni ravnal pravilno in je bil kaznovan. Se nizke so te kazni. Naj dajo pesek tja pa bojo veliko bolse.

Jah. Lauda. Najdes tudi ljudi iz sveta f1, ki imajo drugacno mnenje. Ne bom pasteal vseh takih izjav. Verjetno jih najdes ze na strani kjer si nasel laudino.
 

xXx

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Takrat so bili potemtakem nakonjeni mclarnu. Prasci!!
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Kaj pac. Ni ravnal pravilno in je bil kaznovan. Se nizke so te kazni. Naj dajo pesek tja pa bojo veliko bolse.

Jah. Lauda. Najdes tudi ljudi iz sveta f1, ki imajo drugacno mnenje. Ne bom pasteal vseh takih izjav. Verjetno jih najdes ze na strani kjer si nasel laudino.

Najvecji sport med McLarenom in FIO je ker Nacist Mosley meni da mu je Ron Dennis in Mclaren podtaknu ono afero s kurbami. To da pa je bil Ferrari vedno favoriziran pa ni dvoma. In Lauda je vedno podpiral Ferrari.
 
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XXXL

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Lauda je kompetetnta oseba tukaj. Pred parimi leti je dejal, da F1 lahko vozi praktično že opica (zaradi kopice elektronskih pomagal...), nato se je vsedel v F1 in se zavrtel v prvem krogu. Slabši kot opica...
 

jakovski

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8. sep 2008
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So bila takrat enaka pravila? Če se ne motim je tole dirka iz leta 2006, ko je majklu razneslo motor in je alonso postal prvak?
 

MViper

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Enaka pravila. Ne vem zakaj bi vsako leto taka generalna pravila menjali.. To je Suzuka 2005.

Prav tako mi je zanimiv tale papir:



A ni Race Control [Charlie Whiting] 2x dejal, da je manever "ok" ?
 

jakovski

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8. sep 2008
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Saj ne generalna pravila. Generalno pravilo je, da se z sekanjem šikane ne sme pridobiti kazen, lahko pa da so dodali kakšne klavzule v primerih, kot je bil tale od alonsa ali pa od hamija.

Čudi me, da še ni nihče potegnil ven original pravil in pastal odstavek, kjer je točno napisano kako in kaj pri prehitevanju skozi šikano.
 

MViper

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Pravila so pdf dolg ne vem koliko milijonov strani
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Dejstvo je, da se s sekanjem sikane ne sme pridobiti prednosti ali pozicije. Ne vem zakaj pol ne dajo lezece policaje na te izletne cone, tako kot v Monzi..

Kakor vem ni bilo kaksnih klavzul..

Mutijo za znoret, naj postavijo nek standard, dajo za stevarde permanentno ex dirkace, pa je stvar resena.
 

jakovski

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8. sep 2008
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Verjetno ni vse tako enostavno, drugače bi že bilo tako urejeno. Ali pa ravno zaradi tega ni urejeno, da se lahko muti in malce prireja pravila in s tem naredi sezono bolj zanimivo...

Če bi meli ležeæe, bi pa lewis pikiral v kimija in ga fuknil z steze in enako fasal kazen, tako kot heiki
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To je šovbiznis..in ne šport.
 

xXx

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Alonso je v to šikano prišo s tako hitrostjo da ni blo šanse da zvozi in je samo sekal šikano. Hamilton je prišu v šikano z hitrostjo da jo brez tezav odpelje, ampak ga je Raikkonen ven stisnu da se je Hamilton mogu odmaknit.

Hamilton ni prehitel RAikkoena ker bi mel vecjo hitrost, ampak ker ni sposoben bremzat tak pozno kot Hamilton
 

Malecky

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Hamilton ni prehitel RAikkoena ker bi mel vecjo hitrost, ampak ker ni sposoben bremzat tak pozno kot Hamilton

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Zgleda da za Hamija še predobro zna:

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jakovski

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Mali je pomoje preveč naspidiran za F1 in zato dela takšne in drugačne bedarije.

Saj smo vsi slišali komentar po dirki od lewisa, ko je skoraj počil od veselje..še massa se tako ne veseli
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