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To seveda ni res. Lahko jih upoabijo vse drugedržave razen Amerike in Rusije. Seveda mrtvih bo veliko ampak to ne bo konec sveta. V 40 letih jedrskih poskusov je bilo več kot 500 jedrskih eksplozij narejenih v atmosferi tudi najmočnejša pa se zaradi tega nič ne sekiraš.
Saj ne misliš, da ti bojo Gargy in druščina odgovorili? Tam model naklada o nedržavnosti Ukrajine in podobnem sranju, tu pa beremo, da je bil dobesedno prisiljen denacificirat UA, ker ga je v to prisilil fašističen Zahod. WTF?
Ni misljeno da bo konec sveta, ampak tiste drzave ki bo to uporabila, vsaj vecja mesta bodo zradirana.
Seveda vem, da ne bodo. Zato sem ga pa vprašal zakaj stalno sili debato v neke brezvezne smeri, če pa je sam presvetli vrhovni car lepo jasno in glasno zapisal, zakaj je bilo potrebno Ukrajino napasti.
no, pa smo prisli do zakljucka, da itak noben normalen ne bo uporabil nukic. pa ce jih ima 100 ali pa 1.
so samo se za misice kazat.
Problem je, da putin ni normalen... misliš da dolfa ne bi uporabil nuka, če bi ga lahko?
Je pa res, da so verjetno, vsaj tisti najvišji generali, bolj pametni in vprašanje če lahko brez njih putin kar sam pritisne gumb...
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Evo, sem prebral. Se pa še trudim najti, kje omenja razloge za napad, ideologijo o ruskem imperiju oz. nameri o ponovno vzpostavitvi ruskega imperija, načrte za prihodnost itd. MI lahko pomagaš? Stran in odstavek bo dovolj...
To je vse res napisano, Gargy?
As Ukraine marks its independence day, here is a timeline of the main events in its political history since it won independence from the Russian-dominated Soviet Union in 1991 (it is also worth noting that the country we now call Ukraine was independent from Russia before the Soviet Union).
1991: The leader of the Soviet republic of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, declares independence from Moscow. In a referendum and presidential election, Ukrainians overwhelmingly back independence and elect Mr Kravchuk president.
1994: Mr Kravchuk is replaced by Leonid Kuchma and Ukraine also agrees to relinquish its nuclear arsenal inherited from Soviet times - in return for security assurances.
2004: Pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovich is declared president but allegations of vote-rigging trigger protests in what becomes known as the Orange Revolution, forcing a re-run of the vote. A pro-Western former prime minister, Viktor Yushchenko, is later elected president.
2005: Viktor Yanukovich takes power with promises to lead Ukraine out of the Kremlin's orbit, towards NATO and the European Union.
2013: Mr Yanukovich's government suspends trade and association talks with the EU in November and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kyiv. Mr Putin accuses the West of inciting and supporting the protests.
2014: The protests, largely focused around Kyiv's Maidan Square, turn violent and dozens of protesters are killed. In February, the parliament votes to remove Mr Yanukovich, who flees.
Within days, armed men seize parliament in Crimea and raise the Russian flag. Moscow annexes the territory after a 16 March referendum which shows overwhelming support in Crimea for joining Russia.
April 2014: Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region declare independence. Fighting breaks out and continues sporadically into 2022, despite frequent ceasefires.
July 2014: A missile brings down passenger plane MH17 over eastern Ukraine en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 298 people on board. Investigators trace back the weapon used to Russia, which denies involvement.
2017: President Petro Poroshenko, a pro-Western billionaire businessman in power since May 2014, clinches an association agreement with the EU on free trade of goods and services. Ukrainians also gain the right to visa-free travel to the EU.
2019: Former comic actor Volodymyr Zelenskyy defeats Mr Poroshenko in an April presidential election on promises to tackle endemic corruption and end the war in eastern Ukraine.
2021: Mr Zelenskyy appeals in January to US President Joe Biden to let Ukraine join NATO.
2022: Vladimir Putin signs agreements to recognise the breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.
Russian troops then invade the country on 24 February.
As Ukraine marks its independence day, here is a timeline of the main events in its political history since it won independence from the Russian-dominated Soviet Union in 1991 (it is also worth noting that the country we now call Ukraine was independent from Russia before the Soviet Union).
1991: The leader of the Soviet republic of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, declares independence from Moscow. In a referendum and presidential election, Ukrainians overwhelmingly back independence and elect Mr Kravchuk president.
1994: Mr Kravchuk is replaced by Leonid Kuchma and Ukraine also agrees to relinquish its nuclear arsenal inherited from Soviet times - in return for security assurances.
2004: Pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovich is declared president but allegations of vote-rigging trigger protests in what becomes known as the Orange Revolution, forcing a re-run of the vote. A pro-Western former prime minister, Viktor Yushchenko, is later elected president.
2005: Viktor Yanukovich takes power with promises to lead Ukraine out of the Kremlin's orbit, towards NATO and the European Union.
2013: Mr Yanukovich's government suspends trade and association talks with the EU in November and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kyiv. Mr Putin accuses the West of inciting and supporting the protests.
2014: The protests, largely focused around Kyiv's Maidan Square, turn violent and dozens of protesters are killed. In February, the parliament votes to remove Mr Yanukovich, who flees.
Within days, armed men seize parliament in Crimea and raise the Russian flag. Moscow annexes the territory after a 16 March referendum which shows overwhelming support in Crimea for joining Russia.
April 2014: Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region declare independence. Fighting breaks out and continues sporadically into 2022, despite frequent ceasefires.
July 2014: A missile brings down passenger plane MH17 over eastern Ukraine en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, killing all 298 people on board. Investigators trace back the weapon used to Russia, which denies involvement.
2017: President Petro Poroshenko, a pro-Western billionaire businessman in power since May 2014, clinches an association agreement with the EU on free trade of goods and services. Ukrainians also gain the right to visa-free travel to the EU.
2019: Former comic actor Volodymyr Zelenskyy defeats Mr Poroshenko in an April presidential election on promises to tackle endemic corruption and end the war in eastern Ukraine.
2021: Mr Zelenskyy appeals in January to US President Joe Biden to let Ukraine join NATO.
2022: Vladimir Putin signs agreements to recognise the breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.
Russian troops then invade the country on 24 February.
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V groben drži ja, razen dela, da je Yanukovich bil pro-ruski. Če že, je bil bolj pro-zahodno usmerjen, kot pro-ruski. Pozabi tudi omeniti, da so bile volitve (Yanukovich) ponovljene, kjer je ponovno zmagal, pri čemer suma o nepravilnostih ni bilo...
2004: Pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovich is declared president but allegations of vote-rigging trigger protests in what becomes known as the Orange Revolution, forcing a re-run of the vote. A pro-Western former prime minister, Viktor Yushchenko, is later elected president.
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Ja nekak čudno je napisano.... Da so bile volitve ponovljene, ampak da je zmagal Yuschenko... Nima veze - volitve so bile ponovljene, vmes je prevzel vodenje države Yushchenko, po ponovljenih volitvah pa je bil predsednik (spet) Yanukovich...
Tole je malo čudno...?
2005: Viktor Yanukovich takes power with promises to lead Ukraine out of the Kremlin's orbit, towards NATO and the European Union.
2013: Mr Yanukovich's government suspends trade and association talks with the EU in November and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kyiv. Mr Putin accuses the West of inciting and supporting the protests.
Torej 2005 je obljubil, da bo vodil državo v smeri EU/NATO, potem pa je 2013 prekinil trgovanje z EU in hotel ojačati sodelovanje z moskvo? Kaj se je tu zgodilo, da je obrnil ploščo?
2005: Viktor Yanukovich takes power with promises to lead Ukraine out of the Kremlin's orbit, towards NATO and the European Union.
2013: Mr Yanukovich's government suspends trade and association talks with the EU in November and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kyiv. Mr Putin accuses the West of inciting and supporting the protests.
Torej 2005 je obljubil, da bo vodil državo v smeri EU/NATO, potem pa je 2013 prekinil trgovanje z EU in hotel ojačati sodelovanje z moskvo? Kaj se je tu zgodilo, da je obrnil ploščo?
Pa leto 2014 tudi ni čisto pravilno napisano. Protesti so nastali, ko je Yanukovich zavrnil podpis za EU, potem so se šli revolucijo in ga odstaliti ter nastavili svojega. Vmes so pa v odesi še zažgali proruske protestnike ki se pa niso strinjali z odstavitvijo Yanukovicha.
Zanimivo je The Guardian takrat še pisal precej drugače kot pa danes. Kot da ne vedo več kaj so pisali 8 let nazaj.
"Moscow responded by calling for a special UN security council meeting, saying the deal agreed in Geneva two weeks ago to defuse the situation had been buried by the Ukrainian onslaught. "The Kiev regime moved combat air forces against peaceful settlements, began a reprisal raid, essentially finishing off the last hope for the feasibility of the Geneva accords," said Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Vladimir Putin. But there were no indications of an imminent Russian invasion. Instead, Moscow sent an envoy to try to help release foreign military observers who have been held hostage in the city."
Zanimivo je The Guardian takrat še pisal precej drugače kot pa danes. Kot da ne vedo več kaj so pisali 8 let nazaj.
"Moscow responded by calling for a special UN security council meeting, saying the deal agreed in Geneva two weeks ago to defuse the situation had been buried by the Ukrainian onslaught. "The Kiev regime moved combat air forces against peaceful settlements, began a reprisal raid, essentially finishing off the last hope for the feasibility of the Geneva accords," said Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Vladimir Putin. But there were no indications of an imminent Russian invasion. Instead, Moscow sent an envoy to try to help release foreign military observers who have been held hostage in the city."
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O razlogih zakaj in kako je bilo že tukaj veliko napisanega. Yanuovich je krepil vezi z EU in NATO, vendar, kot je sam poudaril, je Ukrajina nevtralna (k temu ga je zavezovala tudi ustava) in ne bo članica nobene zveze. Sodelovanje z EU je pomenilo na gospodarskem nivoju (tudi z IMF), sodelovanje z NATO pa obnovitev in vzdrževanje zloglasnih bio-laboratorijev, usposabljanje vojakov itd. Ne pa kot polnopravno članstvo v NATO. Vlogo EU, IMF in NATO v tistih časih imaš na spletu zelo dobro dokumentirano
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