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cizy

Fizikalc
21. jul 2007
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Moč je hudo boga, nikoli še nisem kaj delal, z izjemo enih 2 tednov fitnesa par let nazaj.
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darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
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No potem pa kar začni z stronglifts 5x5, ampak še enkrat opozorilo, če ne znaš izvajati opisanih vaj tako, kot avtor (imaš priložene video posnetke), potem si obvezno moraš vzeti čas in jih obvladati. Drugače boš hitro naletel na oviro ali celo poškodbe.
Ta program je dovolj za kar nekaj mesecev, cca pol leta, potem pa se spet javi in gremo naprej (čeprav so na strani tudi navodila "what to do next")

btw, glede tega zakaj je kardio slaba ideja: http://www.outsideonline.com/2087751/yes-professional-runners-are-weak
 

alpine

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Škofja Loka
Gibanje je sam pika na i, hrana je tista ko ti pomaga shujšat.
Maš športnike, ko trenirajo 5x/teden pa kaj mu to nuca, če si po tem prvošč kebab al eno velko pico.
 

Fadil

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Gibanje je sam pika na i, hrana je tista ko ti pomaga shujšat.
Maš športnike, ko trenirajo 5x/teden pa kaj mu to nuca, če si po tem prvošč kebab al eno velko pico.

Če hodiš v službo, ali ješ tam, ali nosiš od doma?
 

Fusion

Fizikalc
1. okt 2007
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delo od doma, vaje doma... Mislim, da se ti bo dom kmalu zagravžal:)

Fajn si je naredit neko rutino, pa da "pobegneš" od doma. No vsaj men to pomaga.

Trenutno sem bolj na trx-u, ene vaje so kr zajebane:) Za noge in kardio pa pecikl ali peš v hribe oz tudi kr kombinacija obojega:)

@fadil
že kr neki let si hrano nosim v službo. Ja jem mrzlo hrano, ker ni mikrovalovke. Kaka stvar je dobra, kako stvar mal težje pogoltneš, kako stvar vidiš, da mrzla sploh ni dobra... Za kosilo (oz jst sem za večerjo) mal več skuhal in imel še za malco.
Res ni vrhunec kulinarike, če pa to delaš z nekim namenom, se pa da!

recimo sline se mi pocedijo, ko se spomnem na skuta, kosmiči, banane:) Ko banane "odpustijo" in ratajo mehke pa vse skup en tak močnik:)
 

darjan

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dve konzervi sardel, nekaj pešic oliv in nekaj pešic makadamie...pa si sit za ulala ur. ali pa trdo kuhana jajca, namesto sardel.

Ne razumem te človeškega obsesije s hrano, da mora bit vedno to nek kulinarični dogodek.
 

alpine

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Pomoje je brezveze jest ultra zdravo, ješ približno zdravo in nepredelano, vmesnih obroki so ponaavdi problem, ko te prime lakota, takrat poješ maslo, oreščke ali kaj podobnega. Itak pa 250g masla ne boš zmazal niti v 3 dneh.
 

Gatto

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19. jul 2007
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tu in tam
Kaj je stari? leto je naokrog, ti si pa še kar zamaščen? si dobil dosti nasvetov, samo udejanit jih je treba, posebej gibanje..
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darjan

Vulkanizer
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Malce mi je smešno, a po drugi strani izredno pomirjajoče, da to kar eni prakticiramo zadnja leta, pomeni dejansko prava smer in da nismo le en "dietni kult", kot so nas eni označevali/zasmehovali.
 

wd40

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10. dec 2007
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Pri vas in vaših "dietnih kultih" je problem, ker berete in spremljate le določene spletne vire in raziskave linkane na njih. Isto kot levi in desni v politiki (sorry ker vlačim to sem).

Resnica pa je nekje vmes.
 

keber

majski hrošč
28. jul 2007
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https://www.newscientist.com/a...making-you-fat/
Ker ima verjetno komaj kdo naročnino, povzemam glavni del članka:
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From the 1950s onwards, these ideas crystallised into official dietary guidelines, and the health-conscious started switching to leaner cuts of meat, low-fat milk and swapped butter for vegetable-oil based margarines. And they filled up on starchy carbs.

Yet average body weight has continued to climb, as have rates of associated problems such as type 2 diabetes, culminating in what is now arguably a health crisis. In the UK, US and Australia, around two-thirds of the population are either overweight or obese.

The orthodoxy was challenged when some dieters adopted the Atkins diet, which caused a sensation in the early 2000s. This urged people to shun fruit and veg and scoff meat, butter and cream. Doctors warned it couldn’t work and all that saturated fat was a heart attack waiting to happen.

And yet, research showed otherwise. One trial directly compared 156 women on either the Atkins diet or a low-fat diet. After a year, those following Atkins had lost more weight, and their blood pressure and cholesterol profiles were, if anything, better than those on the low-fat diet. Another trial, which lasted two years, had similar results.

The idea that those with type 2 diabetes should ditch carbs has also been led by people defying medical advice. Unwin first learned of it when he called in a diabetes patient who had been missing check-ups. “Her blood tests were amazing,” he says. “They seemed to show that she wasn’t diabetic anymore.”

This broke all the rules. Type 2 diabetes is supposed to be progressive and irreversible. It is the result of our cells becoming increasingly resistant to insulin, a hormone made by the pancreas to help with the uptake of glucose from the blood. The pancreas works ever harder until it cannot produce enough insulin to keep blood sugar levels under control. As a result, blood sugar gets too high after meals and this gradually harms blood vessels, leading to a range of nasty consequences such as foot amputations and heart attacks.

Newly diagnosed diabetics are usually advised to lose weight with exercise, and by eating less fat and more fibre, including bread, cereals and fruit and vegetables. But like most dieters, they usually don’t succeed, and the majority need oral medication to control their blood sugar within a year of diagnosis.

Unwin’s rebellious patient told him she began low-carbing after stumbling across a website that recommended it. As Unwin researched the idea, it started making sense. Diabetics are told to avoid sugar, but starch is basically long chains of sugar and is quickly digested into sugar in the gut.

Yet diabetics are told to eat starchy food just like everyone else to help them eat less fat. Fat is the bigger enemy because it leads to heart disease, says Louis Levy, head of nutrition science at Public Health England.

And even wholegrain carbs, which are recommended, cause our blood sugar to rise, albeit more slowly than their milled equivalents. A slice of wholemeal bread raises blood sugar the same amount as three teaspoons of pure sugar, according to research due to be published by Unwin and his colleagues in the Journal of Insulin Resistance. A jacket potato – archetypal healthy fare – is akin eating 9 teaspoons of sugar (although how fast it is released depends on what you eat with it – fat or protein lowers the speed).

The sugar triggers release of insulin, which stimulates fat storage, and in the long term worsens insulin resistance. Eating fat and protein, in contrast, releases less insulin, and protein is the most filling food group, so will suppress appetite more.

People with type 2 diabetes are sometimes told to eat food with a low glycaemic index (GI), a measure of how quickly blood sugar rises. The faster the blood sugar rises, the harder it is for cells to take up glucose quickly enough to avoid a spike. But a strictly low-GI diet can end up being high-fat by default.

Startled into action, Unwin took the maverick step of offering weekly meetings on this dietary approach to his patients with diabetes or who were overweight. He put them on a less extreme version of the Atkins diet, telling them not only to cut down on starchy food but also to eat lots of non-starchy vegetables and the less sugary fruits, such as blueberries and raspberries. In place of carbs they should fill up on meat, fish, full-fat dairy products, eggs and nuts (see “Food fight”).

Under control

It seemed to work. “They weren’t hungry and every week they came back smaller,” he says. Their blood tests showed improvements in glucose control, as well as blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

Unwin published the results from his first 19 patients in 2014. It wasn’t a randomised trial, but there have been such studies in the US. In one study of 34 overweight people with type 2 diabetes, those on a low-carb, high-fat diet with no obligation to calorie count ended up with significantly better blood sugar control after 3 months than those following the low-fat guidelines for diabetes. Three times as many low-carbers were able to stop taking at least one diabetes drug as those on the standard diet.

Unwin’s unorthodox approach has not gone unnoticed. Earlier this year he received a National Health Service innovator of the year award, partly in recognition of the savings being made at his practice, Unwin says. Their per-patient spend on diabetes drugs is about 70 per cent of the local average.

Zanimivo je, da nacionalne agencije še vedno zagovarjajo nizko maščobne diete (in to brez številk, ki bi to dokazovale), razna združenja bolnikov pa LCHF in tudi vse več zdravnikov.
 

Malecky

Majstr
10. sep 2007
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Pri vas in vaših "dietnih kultih" je problem, ker berete in spremljate le določene spletne vire in raziskave linkane na njih. Isto kot levi in desni v politiki (sorry ker vlačim to sem).

Resnica pa je nekje vmes.

Ne ni nekje vmes, ker ne beremo revij lady jana ipd. za naše vire. Spletni viri so edina možna platforma dobit res konkreten vpogled v zadevo sploh iz neke Slovenije. A knjige so pa ok? Npr. podlaga za še vedno aktualno sfaljeno prehransko piramido oz. prehrambene smernice so raziskave in knjige Am. raziskovalca, ki je "tekmoval" z angležem in je pri svojem delu v želji po slavi ponaredil študije oz. prikrojil rezultate, da so ustrezali njegovemu lastnemu prepričanju.

Neverjetno je, da je tako dolgo trajalo, da so znanstveniki ugotovili kako to vse skupaj funkcionira, ampak dejstvo je da SO in te zadeve niso več plod polemik tudi v znanstvenih krogih.
 

tomi

Guru
1. sep 2007
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Moč je hudo boga, nikoli še nisem kaj delal, z izjemo enih 2 tednov fitnesa par let nazaj.
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pridi z nami na RP. 3x na teden "crossfit" 29,90/ mesec
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tomi

Guru
1. sep 2007
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nop, sem se preselil v mb in imam zdaj bližje redpower, ima res dobro ceno za te skupinske, ta ki ima na preko cf pa je itak prej bil trener v rušah
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darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
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Kaj te nisi reko, sem ga že vido trenirat ja, pol pa kar presenečen da ina prek cf vaje tam
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