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ynos

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Jaz jih poznam veliko več, ki niso imeli covid kot pa tistih, ki so imeli. Torej zaključim lahko, da nismo prekuženi.

kakih 10-15% juh je imelo covid, vprašanje koliko jih ima se protitelesca. So omenjali, da drži tri mesece odpornost.
 

AndY1

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10-15% :zavijazocmi:

Se en, ki misli, da so protitelesa edino, s cimer te imunski sistem sciti:

 

Ytbnd

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Bom dal posebej:

Izvlečki:
UVOD
The initial round of lockdowns was not about suppressing the virus but slowing it for one reason: to preserve hospital capacity. Whether and to what extent the “curve” was actually flattened will probably be debated for years but back then there was no question of extinguishing the virus.

Gradually, and sometimes almost imperceptibly, the rationale for the lockdowns changed. Curve flattening became an end in itself, apart from hospital capacity.
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That failure was embarrassing enough, given the overwhelming costs. Schools closed, commercial rights were vanquished, shelter-in-place orders from wartime were imposed, travel nearly stopped, all large events were cancelled, and so on. Clearly there needed to be a good, solid, science-based reason for why the politicians and their advisers had, on their own, decided to take away much of what we once regarded as human rights.
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Sometime in summer, the idea of asymptomatic spread started to trend, bit by bit. It finally went to an explosion of interest in the first week of June. It trailed off again until very recently.
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Asymptomatic spread was the answer given to the great question: I’m not sick so why should I have to be locked down?
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All these valid questions came to be answered by this one phrase: asymptomatic spread.

JEDRO
potem se zgodi tole
On June 7, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, told a press conference that from the known research, asymptomatic spread was “very rare.”

Sledi logična posledica
There was an understandable explosion of fury on all sides. People against lockdowns were screaming all over Twitter that if this is true, the rationale for the lockdowns mostly disappears.

Dve možni nadaljnji izbiri:
a)
People against lockdowns were screaming all over Twitter that if this is true, the rationale for the lockdowns mostly disappears. We can go back to our normal lives. We can open up everything again!

b)
On the other side, there was the predictably pro-lockdown mainstream media which decried her heresy. The cry was so loud that the WHO immediately started walking back the claim, mostly with hints and suggestions that didn’t say untrue things but did not repudiate the initial claim either: “There is much to be answered on this. There is much that is unknown.

Zgodil se je b)

Following that, the question seemed to fade. We went back to assuming that potentially everyone had a disease, enabling fellow citizens to become virtuous enforcers of mask wearing, staying home, and separating, screaming and yelling at others for failing to comply.

Potem je 20.11.2020 prišla na dan študija https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Ki je pokazala sledeče:
The conclusion is not that asymptomatic spread is rare or that the science is uncertain. The study revealed something that hardly ever happens in these kinds of studies. There was not one documented case
//10 milijonov udeležencev.

One might suppose that this would be huge news. It would allow us to open up everything immediately. With the whole basis for post-curve-flattening lockdowns crumbled, we could go back to living a normal life. The fear could evaporate.

ZAKLJUČEK
//Tresla se je gora, rodila se je miš
A zgodilo se je samo to, da so msm študijo postavili na ignore listo:
From what I can tell, there was only one news story that was posted about this. It was on Russia Today. I’ve not been able to find another one. People not following the right accounts on Twitter wouldn’t even know about it at all.

The lockdown lobby ignores whatever contradicts their narrative, preferring unverified anecdotes over an actual scientific study of 10 million residents in what was the world’s first major hotspot for the disease we are trying to manage. You would expect this study to be massive international news. So far as I can tell, it is being ignored.

With solid evidence that asymptomatic spread is nonsense, we have to ask: who is making decisions and why?
 
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Ytbnd

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Je potrebno še poudariti, da so spoznanja zgornje študije (avtorji so sodeč po imenih 99% kitajski znanstveniki, z izjemo Max Bachmanna) v nasprotju z letošnjim izvoznim hitom CCP

Wuhan ima 11 milijonov prebivalcev (od skupno 1.4 milijarde) , na zahodu se na podlagi CCP "spoznanj" zapirajo po cele države in ne samo posamezne vasi/zaselki, kar je Wuhan v primerjavi s celotno Kitajsko oz 0.785% prebivalcev ).

Če dam primerjavo Kitajskih razmer je to tako, kot bi namesto celotne Slo zaprli samo občino Tržič, Litija, Medvode, Postojno ali Vrhniko (eno od teh štirih).
 
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corsol

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Wuhan ima 11 milijonov prebivalcev (od skupno 1.4 milijarde) , na zahodu se na podlagi CCP "spoznanj" zapirajo po cele države in ne samo posamezne vasi/zaselki, kar je Wuhan v primerjavi s celotno Kitajsko oz 0.785% prebivalcev ).

Če dam primerjavo Kitajskih razmer je to tako, kot bi namesto celotne Slo zaprli samo občino Tržič, Litija, Medvode, Postojno ali Vrhniko (eno od teh štirih).
Na zahodu niso nikjer naredili tako strogega lockdowna kot so ga Kitajci v wuhanu, če pa bi ga , pa ti sigurno sedaj tukaj ne bi pisal.
 

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Avstralija in Nova Zelandija sta znali narediti zamejitev, ko je bilo to potrebno, in nimata resnih težav s covidom. Pustimo dejstvo, da sta otoški državi.
 
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Wuhan ima 11 milijonov prebivalcev (od skupno 1.4 milijarde) , na zahodu se na podlagi CCP "spoznanj" zapirajo po cele države in ne samo posamezne vasi/zaselki, kar je Wuhan v primerjavi s celotno Kitajsko oz 0.785% prebivalcev ).

Če dam primerjavo Kitajskih razmer je to tako, kot bi namesto celotne Slo zaprli samo občino Tržič, Litija, Medvode, Postojno ali Vrhniko (eno od teh štirih).
Sicer povsem korektna mstematična vaja ampak vsebinsko povsem nepotrebna. V tem primeru so relevantne absolutne številke, ne pa deleži po nekih administrativnih enotah.
 

AndY1

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Kdo bi si mislil da bo na forumu največji trol ravno moderator. #2020
Kaj češ. Enim na pladnju prineseni YT videi ne pomagajo o Vitaminu D, ker znajo samo grizt, posledicno zacnejo jemati vitamin d repozmo in gredo cez tezji potek bolezni in zaradi jeze se bolj grizejo.

V vsakem primeru zelim kalbu kar se da najbolj pozitiven potek bolezni.

Kalbo, ce se niste, naj vam gre nekdo se iskat tablete cinka.
 

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Na zahodu niso nikjer naredili tako strogega lockdowna kot so ga Kitajci v wuhanu, če pa bi ga , pa ti sigurno sedaj tukaj ne bi pisal.

In vseeno je virus dosegel (po ocenah) 10+% prebivalcev.

Po kitajski abrakadabri je pa izginil. Sem tudi Blacjacku nekje nazaj napisal enako kot je izpostavil Ytbnd, procentualno gledano so kitajci zaprli izjemno malo prebivalstva. Res da jih je toliko, da ta njihov del procenta predstavlja ogromno maso ljudi, je pa tudi aparat (beri država/policija/vojska) primerno velik.

Evropa in širše se gremo totalne lockdowne, ki počasi več kot očitno ne delujejo, sploh pa ne pri taki količini virusa, kateri sedaj kroži med populacijo.

Nauk kovida pa je? Kitajci so zmagali.
 

kalbo

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Kaj češ. Enim na pladnju prineseni YT videi ne pomagajo o Vitaminu D, ker znajo samo grizt, posledicno zacnejo jemati vitamin d repozmo in gredo cez tezji potek bolezni in zaradi jeze se bolj grizejo.

V vsakem primeru zelim kalbu kar se da najbolj pozitiven potek bolezni.

Kalbo, ce se niste, naj vam gre nekdo se iskat tablete cinka.
Kaj ko bi ti res nehal. Bi šlo?
 
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corsol

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V Wuhanu. Po nekih študijah, avtorjev katerih niso pozaprli/čudežno izginili, pa še kaj več. Čeprav kitajci, neodvisnih raziskovalcev ne pustijo niti blizu. Tako da, lahko njihovi vrhovni komandi, verjamemo samo na besedo.

Po celotni kitajski ni bil lockdown niti podoben wuhanu.
Wuhan so zaprli očitno dovolj dobro , da jim drugam ni preveč ušlo,....drugje pa če je bil kdo pozitiven ali v "kritičnem" kontaktu, dvomim da je lahko šetal okrog....kot lahko npr.pri nas BP.