Covid-19 Cepiva

8888

mesija - Assassin's Creep
8. jul 2010
33.719
6.115
113
blizu močvirne prestolnice
Sam se strinjam z vsem, vlada dela ogromno napak. Ampak ne strinjam pa se s teboj sicer si fejst dec ampak tist fb ti je skuril možgane. Namesto da cinkariš policiji, kako kdo vozi, se zato, da zafrkneš državo pojdi cepiti. Tudi KameleOna ne razumem. Česa se bojita? Smrti?
Najhuje pa je, da se podpirajo tiste necepljene kateri se ukvarjajo z otroci. OK, vzemimo jim vse dodatke, pa boste videli kako se bodo šli cepiti pa 2X tedensko si naj v tisto surlo palčko dajo, če jim to toliko paše.
 

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.082
4.080
113
Zakaj bi komurkoli jemal trdo zasluzen denar, se posebej pa nekomu, ki skrbi za nase otroke?


The Nuremberg Code (1947)​

Permissible Medical Experiments​

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:​

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

    The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
  4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
  8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
  10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
 

ynos

Vremenko
18. jul 2007
24.411
3.803
113
davorinm.wordpress.com
Ravno zato se (še) ne grem cepit, ker se ne bojim smrti.
Kaj si pa mislisl s tistim da cinkarim voznike policiji pa ne vem. Mogoce tistega ki mi je na AC pripeljal nasproti? Da bi koga drugega prijavljal policiji pa se ne spomnim.
Ker se bojis stranakih ucinkov cepiv? Ne zavedas pa se, da so stranski ucinki covid19 hujsi in pogostejsi in da imas za njih vec moznosti necepljen.
 

darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
52.882
6.961
113
Nea bluzi sony, saj sploh ni statistike stranskih učinkov. Trenutno imamo samo % smrti, ki je zanemarljiv v naši generaciji.

Glede "stranskih učinkov" kovida, uradno se reče temu simptomi, pa je bilo nazadnje rečeno, da je pri Delti najbolj pogosti stranski učinke kihanje in moker nosek.
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen

Hanzi

Guru
27. jul 2007
47.585
6.667
113
pri taščici
Se tista smrt ki je bila zaradi cepljenja je bila v Bruslju.
Mama od Demz (pa verjemite da ni edina smrt, je pa zavedena kot smrt zaradi covida in ne zaradi cepljenja.
Ynos: dober mesec sem cepljen vsak dan, 15 let se cepim vsak mesec.
Upam, da preguram ta Covid (ce mi bo ze usojen, ker smiselnih ukrepov pa se naceloma drzim!) brez vpletanja dohtarjev.
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen

darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
52.882
6.961
113
2x višja ti nič ne pove, če ne veš višja od česa? od alfa različice?

Kolikšna je bila hospitalizacija pri alfi za starostno skupino 40-60 (recimo da nas je večina v tem razponu tukaj) ?
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen

darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
52.882
6.961
113
The study, led by Public Health England (PHE) and the Medical Research Council, looked at 43,338 Covid cases that occurred between March and May - when both Alpha, also known as Kent, variant, and Delta were circulating in the UK.

The bulk of these infections were in people who had not yet been vaccinated.
Most did not need hospital care, but a small proportion - 196 (2.3%) of the people infected with Delta and 764 (2.2%) of those with Alpha - did.


Risk of hospital admission was twice as high for individuals diagnosed with the Delta variant, compared to those with Alpha, after adjusting for differences such as age, sex and ethnicity.

PS, povprečna starost 31 let.
PSS, torej za 2% se ne sekiram, ti se, jest5 ?
 
I

Izbrisan uporabnik #9334

Upam da ne bom izpadel preveč naivno, toda zadeva je takole: že vsaj 30 let nas farmacija na vse pretege vabi da bi se cepili proti gripi - za katero pa vemo, da je vsaka dva meseca drugačna in si lahko torej vbrizgavaš v žilo pripravke kot en tak yunkiee yebiga, pa boš vseeno hitro zbolel za njo. Bodo pač razložili, da je novi sev in prejšnje cepivo ne prime več.

Kaj sedaj? Se splača vbrizgavat si v žilo neka (nepreizkušena) cepiva ob dejstvu, da bo treba čez pol leta ponoviti zadevo ker je virus pač mutiral?

Naj razmišljam naprej, ali obstaja človek ki mu je toliko vseeno in si je pripravljen kar takole, v eksperimentalne namene stisniti v žilo injekcijo nafte? Je kje kdo ki mu je toliko malo mar do svojega telesa in zdravja?
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen

Pbutec

100. registrirani uporabnik
20. jul 2007
15.152
3.615
113
Marlbor
Upam da ne bom izpadel preveč naivno, toda zadeva je takole: že vsaj 30 let nas farmacija na vse pretege vabi da bi se cepili proti gripi - za katero pa vemo, da je vsaka dva meseca drugačna in si lahko torej vbrizgavaš v žilo pripravke kot en tak yunkiee yebiga, pa boš vseeno hitro zbolel za njo. Bodo pač razložili, da je novi sev in prejšnje cepivo ne prime več.

Kaj sedaj? Se splača vbrizgavat si v žilo neka (nepreizkušena) cepiva ob dejstvu, da bo treba čez pol leta ponoviti zadevo ker je virus pač mutiral?

Naj razmišljam naprej, ali obstaja človek ki mu je toliko vseeno in si je pripravljen kar takole, v eksperimentalne namene stisniti v žilo injekcijo nafte? Je kje kdo ki mu je toliko malo mar do svojega telesa in zdravja?
Čudno, da pa za gripo še vedno ne delajo cepiv po tej novi nepreizkušeni metodi. Zakaj so samo za covid-19 rezervirali to metodo?
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen

Hanzi

Guru
27. jul 2007
47.585
6.667
113
pri taščici
Trump je dal lep predlog.
Razkužilo zagotovo unici virus. Vprizgamo si ga v zilo in je zadeva resena. Treba iye samo dolocititi kolicino.
Lahko bi kar transfuzijo naredil. Kak liter bi najbrz zadostovalo.
 

darjan

Vulkanizer
13. sep 2007
52.882
6.961
113
Tole je meni tudi takoj padlo v glavo. Zelo sumljivo se je poklapala mRNA tehnologija in kovid virus. Ker z mRNA se jebejo že 30 let, pa niso nič pametnega do zdaj naredili, naenkrat pa pride kovid in je cepivo tu v nekaj mesecih.
Seveda prikladen odgovor je; ker prej ni bilo denarja, zdaj so pa vsi odpeli malhe. S tem pa res pridobimo zaupanje v farmacijo in države, a prej pa niso mogle razpet malh, da bi se za gripo naredili že prej mRNA cepivo, ker vseeno zaradi gripe tudi umirajo ljudje - ampak aja, ne polnijo bolnic. Oz ne, a ne rešujemo življenj?
Oz kaj sploh zdaj rešujemo, ve kdo?
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen
I

Izbrisan uporabnik #9334

Strah od preveč dela. Ker že od samega začetka plozajo, da je bojazen če bi bile bolnice preveč polne ... :norec:
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen
I

Izbrisan uporabnik #9334

A ni bilo včasih tako, da je v ameriki FDA držala roko gor nad zdravili in so novo zadevo odobrili šele po kakih 10 letih vsestranskih preizkusov in testiranj.
Ker je v ozadju vedno strah pred stranskimi učinki in astronomskimi tožbami zanje. Sedaj ta praksa ni več aktualna? Sedaj stranski učinki niso več vprašljivi? Strašljivi? Nesprejemljivi?
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jendomen