Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

Pac_Man

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Rak se širi še na zahod, povzeto v celem kupu drugih držav, 2x tudi na Hrvaškem (jutranji.hr in 24sata.hr). Bomo videli, kaj bo v ponedeljek.
 

Ytbnd

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Tole so objavil en ruski (propagandni) časopis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv0e1ry0DU

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Samo zanje se je nekdo poigral z OŠ matematiko, podobni trikotniki, imate matematični dokaz,
ali da je B777 ER200, dolg 4 km ali da je ta satelit v orbiti na 10145 m, pick one
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Pac_Man

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Prorusi pridobivajo ozemlje (kontrolni točki 31 & 32, letališče jim bo zgleda končno uspelo zavzet), Ukrajinci pa izvajajo ofenzivo.

Kdo je tukaj nor?
 

Pac_Man

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Putin wages information war in Ukraine worthy of George Orwell

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Since the beginning of the month, Russia’s state media holding Rossiya Segodnya has launched an international news agency, called Sputnik, as well as RT Deutsch, a German-language version of broadcaster Russia Today.

The purpose of the media offensive isn’t so much to present an alternative point of view as to create a parallel reality where crackpots become experts and conspiracy theories offer explanations for the injustices of the world. The target audience is Western citizens skeptical of their own system of government. The goal is obfuscation.
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Words may seem harmless in comparison to bullets and bombs, but their effect has been no less deadly. Channel One, Russia’s flagship state TV channel, casually refers to “genocide” committed by the Kiev government against citizens of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, evoking associations with Nazi Germany’s rampage across Ukraine during World War II. By branding the Maidan protest in Kiev as “fascist” because radical fringe groups took part, Channel One went a long way in laying the groundwork for the armed insurrection that followed in eastern Ukraine.

Only hours after I first arrived in Donetsk in March, I was informed that I too was a combatant in the “information war.” At the time, the regional capital was the site of protests by hundreds, sometimes thousands, of angry people waving Russian flags and demanding autonomy. Nobody had ever heard of the publications I write for, but protesters were convinced I was there to slander them. The fact I was marching beside them and trying to find out their grievances only made me more insidious. In my 20 years as a journalist, I had never experienced such hostility – especially from a group that was supposedly facing persecution.

“Why would I be here if I already knew what I was going to write?” I asked the protesters. I got no answer. Besides a few stock phrases about a “referendum” and “the illegitimate Kiev junta,” I also got no answers as to their motivations. It was like trying to have a conversation with a TV – Russian state TV.

There is no ideology behind the Kremlin media campaign. Instead it is founded on a nihilistic view of the world where everybody lies and the ends always justify the means. Just days before Crimea was absorbed into Russia, Putin discounted the possibility of its annexation and disavowed the participation of Russian troops in the peninsula’s takeover – contrary to what my colleagues and I had witnessed with our own eyes. Only later did Putin admit in a televised call-in show that Russian servicemen had participated in the invasion, after all.
 

Rosenthal

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The West are being very choosy with their language – in case they have to deny they ever said it later. Presently, the West and Kiev are stopping short of labeling the non-event as an invasion, instead calling it “Russian aggression”, and a “cross-border incursion” to aid separatists, with the all-important caveat of “unconfirmed report”, a PR system standardized by CIA media handlers currently in residence inside the US-backed Kiev regime.
Addicted to Lies:Kiev,CIA Still Pushing Fake Reports of ‘Russia Invading Ukraine’
 

Rosenthal

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Ker ti podajam drugo plat medalje?

Za razliko od tebe, ki naivno verjames "svojim" medijem, ki iz koristoljubja pretkano manipulirajo z mnozicami.


Izvoli, nadaljuj..
USA to train Ukrainians to fight people of Donetsk in cold weather

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United States government is getting ready to train Ukrainian military and punitive battalions in winter combat techniques before the end of the year. The goal is to make Ukrainians more efficient in killing people of Donetsk and Lugansk in cold weather.
 

Pac_Man

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Namesto, da bi dali rep med noge in se morda celo opravičili za napako, gredo s polnim plinom naprej.

14.11.2014, 18:00:
http://www.1tv.ru/news/leontiev/271824

14.11.2014, 21:05:
http://www.1tv.ru/news/leontiev/271840

Danes, 15.11.2014, 10:04:
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/271859

Danes, 15.11.2014, 12:05:
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/271864

Danes, 15.11.2014, 15:05:
http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/271873

Današnji videoarhiv je naložen do 15:22, tako da lahko pričakujemo nadaljevanje.

Govorimo o glavnem ruskem TV kanalu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_One_Russia

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Channel One is the first television channel to broadcast in the Russian Federation. The channel replaced the channel "Ostankino" that broadcast after The Soviet Union broke up in 1991 as a successor to the First Channel of the central television of the USSR. It has its headquarters in the Technical Center "Ostankino" near the Ostankino Tower, Moscow.

First among Russia's country-wide channels, Channel One has more than 250 million viewers worldwide.
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Channel One remains the most prosperous of Russian TV channels and wields the largest budget by far. It also has produced many high-profile films, including four of the highest-grossing Russian movies after the Soviet collapse, Night Watch (2004), The Turkish Gambit (2005), Day Watch (2006), and The Irony of Fate 2 (2007). It airs the Russian adaptations of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?, Survivor, and Star Factory, as well as many homegrown productions.

Samo za primer, kako zgleda rusko pranje možganov/ustvarjanje javnega mnenja.
 

doctorz

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Ej PACMAN kdo te plačuje ? Za koga delaš?

Več kot očitno si brezposelnež ki cele dneve vse slovenske forume posiljuje z antirusko propagando.

Profil si ustvaril ob napetostih v ukrajini, pišeš skoraj izključno samo o ukrajini in proti rusiji, sodeluješ na več slovenskih forumih v vseh temah o ukrajini....
 

Pac_Man

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Za tole mi nihče ne plačuje in okrog tega tudi za nikogar ne delam. Recimo, da sem si našel nov hobi.
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Gre za pomembno geopolitično temo, Rusija očitno laže in manipulira, pač mi je zanimivo. Tako težko razumet?
 

doctorz

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Še vedno mislim da te plačuje nekdo da trosiš okrog antirusko propagando.

Dejansko ne verjamem da se 8+ ur na dan s tem ukvarjaš prostovoljno
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Odgovoriš tudi na skoraj vsak post v roku 10 minut razen dopoldan ko si v službi očitno in serješ tukaj do dveh zjutraj.

Bomo zgleda odprli novo temo z naslovom - whois pacman
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Abraham

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Whois pacman?
Spočitež s preveč cajta, brez družine, brez frendov in brez hobijev.
Oziroma, en hobi zdaj ima: pluvanje čez ruse in poveličevanje ukrajine/eu/zda naveze.
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doctorz

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Jaz mislim da serje po forumu z namenom oziroma za plačilo. Kdo je tolk neumen da cele dneve tukaj piše neke nebuloze? Ne samo tukaj ampak več ali manj po vseh slovenskih forumih kjer teče debata o ukrajini.
 

Abraham

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Hehe, saj vem - sem ga to isto vprašanje vprašal že kakih 10 strani nazaj. Odgovor je bil isti, kot danes.
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Kdor verjame, je blažen.
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Plačanc, skratka. Verjetno mu Musomeli dobro plačuje. Vprašanje pa je, če odvajata ddv...
 

darjan

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Russia is placing civilian flights at risk by dispatching jet fighters and bombers into European airspace without following safety procedures, according to Nato’s secretary general.

Jens Stoltenberg told the Telegraph that Nato fighters had intercepted Russian military aircraft over 100 times so far this year, compared with 30 such incidents in 2013.

Russia’s long-range bombers and spy planes usually stay in international airspace, but they deliberately ignore safeguards designed to reduce the risk of collision with civilian flights. In particular, they switch off the “transponders” that allow aircraft to detect one another.

“They have increased their military air activity along Nato’s borders,” said Mr Stoltenberg. “We have done what we are supposed to do: we have intercepted them, partly because of increased air policing.”

David Cameron has held a 50-minute meeting with Vladimir Putin on the margins of the G20 summit, telling him that the west’s relations with Russia are at a crossroads and demanding that Moscow allow independent observers along the country’s border with Ukraine.
 

Abraham

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Kaj, a zdaj ruski avioni ne smejo letat po mednarodnem zračnem prostoru, al kaj?
Bi morali kavbojce vprašat za dovoljenje?
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Nato lahko okoli rusije leta, uni pa ne smejo?
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Cameron je pa itak potrošil 90% cajta za to, da je Putinu povedal, da se samo malo hecajo.
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