malaysian airline part 2

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darjan

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Tale priča pa ima jajca, glede na to da se bo brez problema lociralo njegov položaj, vprašanje kako dolgo, preden ga putin dobi v roke...
 
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AndY1

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Tudi rusi imajo svojo pričo: http://rt.com/news/216871-ukraine-military-mh17-report/

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The witness, who chose to remain anonymous, told Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) daily that a pilot of a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet was behind the MH17 flight downing on July 17. He claimed that the pilot used air-to-air missiles to shoot down the Malaysian Boeing, which he concludes was probably mistaken for a military plane.

“About an hour before the catastrophe, three fighter jets took off [from Dnepropetrovsk]. One of the planes was an Su-25, which was equipped with these kind of [air-to-air] missiles,” the witness told KP in an interview, adding that he was on the airport grounds at the time.

Once the surviving pilot got out of the plane, he looked “very frightened.”

The Ukrainian pilot’s first words as he got out of the jet were: “Wrong plane,” the alleged witness claimed. Later in the evening that same pilot also reportedly stated: “The plane happened to be in the wrong place at a wrong time.”
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Pac_Man

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Še angleška edicija Pravde:

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/disasters/23-12-2014/129365-witness_malaysian_boeing_ukraine-0/

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The Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper, whose journalists interviewed the unnamed witness, said that on July 17, two Ukrainian military aircraft were shot down in the war zone, and the pilot of the third fighter jet fired an air-to-air missile into the Malaysian Boeing.
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Ampak 17. julija ni bil sestreljen noben Su-25.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...rest_in_Ukraine
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Country=UR&page=1

Zgodba pade na prvi stopnici, povsem enostavno preverljivo.

Vseeno se saga nadaljuje:

http://rt.com/news/217295-mh17-ukraine-military-plane/

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Russia’s Investigative Committee has confirmed the claims by a Ukrainian, who said he witnessed the deployment of a Ukrainian warplane armed with air-to-air missiles on the day the Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was shot down.
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The investigators used a polygraph during the interview, which showed no evidence of the witness lying, he added.

“The facts were reported by the witness clearly and with no inconsistencies. The investigators lean towards considering them truthful. A polygraph examination confirmed them too,” the official said.
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Pac_Man

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Res? Reeeeeeeees? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees?

Že več kot en mesec se smejim(o) ruski nacionalki, ki je ta fotošop spustila v eter, debunkan je bil tudi v tej ali sosednji temi, ti pa mirno citiraš?

OK, če ti ni mar za verodostojnost, ti kar.
 
Pac_Man

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Od začetka avgusta je v Kijevu
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Z objavo zgodbe se je verjetno čakalo, dokler niso bili kosi letala na Nizozemskem.
 
Pac_Man

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Še rezultat analize fotografij s strani NEO Technology in tehnične univerze v Delftu, v nizozemščini:

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/...nalyse_v1.0.pdf

Nič novega, potrdijo kar se govori od julija naprej. Ker je bil $$ v igri, so imeli dostop do Airbusovega 3d modela okolice & par novih, kupljenih, satelitskih slik.

Najbolj zanimiv je ta posnetek najverjetnejšega mesta izstrelitve z 21. julija:

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Lepo požgano, spodnji rob je najverjetneje zaoral kmet, da se ogenj ni širil naprej.

Oz. večje območje:

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prve hiše so 1-1.5 km stran. Bo še zanimivo.
 
Pac_Man

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Zanimiv pogled na anglosaksonski "news cycle" v tem primeru.

GoogleNews za MH17, sortirano po datumu

Rusi so nizozemsko zgodbo o fotografijah & fotografu prek svojih tiskovnih agencij skoraj popolnoma izrinili s svojo, o prebeglem ukrajinskem vojaku.
Čeprav ima težke logične nedoslednosti.
 
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RIA ima na svoji strani še vedno članek o sestrelitvi An-26, ki se je kasneje izkazal za B777.

http://ria.ru/world/20140717/1016409306.html

izsek z GoogleTranslate:

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18:13 17.07.2014 (updated: 17/07/2014 19:19)

DONETSK, July 17 - RIA Novosti. Militia on Thursday over the city Torez Donetsk region in eastern Ukraine downed another Ukrainian Air Force transport aircraft, RIA Novosti reported eyewitnesses of the incident.

"Around 16:00 local time flew over the city of An-26. We have seen how it crashed rocket, there was an explosion, the plane went to the ground, leaving behind a black smoke. From the sky rained some debris," - said one of the local residents. As evidence of their source said given video.

According to them, the plane crashed somewhere in the vicinity of the mine "Progress", away from residential areas.

Thorez located near the town of snowy mound and Saur-Tomb, where militias have several anti-aircraft guns. Yesterday in the area they shot down two aircraft Su-25.
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transliterirano:

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Po ikh slovam, samolet upal gde-to v rayone shakhty "Progress", v storone ot zhilykh kvartalov. "My videli, kak v nego vrezalas' raketa, razdalsya vzryv, samolet poshel k zemle, ostavlyaya za soboy chernyy dym. S neba posypalis' kakiye-to oblomki", - rasskazal odin iz mestnykh zhiteley.
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Matey

Matey

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Z Malasian airlines je bolj kot ne konec, če mene vprašate.... že po drugem incidentu so zabeležili ogrooomen upad prometa, zdaj po tem tretjem pa pomoje sploh nihče več ne bo letel z njimi. Da se sploh ne omenja, da se še vedno ne ve kaj je bilo s prvim njihovim letalom....
 
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