Kot sem ti ze rekel, obrni se na avtorja clanka:
Ni potrebe Andy, dopuscam njegovo "novinarsko" svobodo.
Kot sem ti ze rekel, obrni se na avtorja clanka:
Ocitno se potem tudi tile majstri motijo:Enim to res ne gre v glavo
PCR nikoli NE BO pozitiven, tudi če narediš 100+ ciklov, če v vzorcu NI virusa ali vsaj delčka genoma virusa, ki se ga pomnožuje.
Tako da lažnega zaznavanja ni. Lahko pa so napačne interpretacije rezultatov.
The Portuguese judges cited a study conducted by “some of the leading European and world specialists,” which was published by Oxford Academic at the end of September. It showed that if someone tested positive for Covid at a cycle threshold of 35 or higher, the chances of that person actually being infected is less than three percent, and that “the probability of… receiving a false positive is 97% or higher.”
The correlation between the scanner values and the positivity of the culture allows us to observe that the image obtained with 10 times more isolates than in our preliminary work (1941 vs 129) does not change significantly (Figure 1). It can be observed that at Ct = 25, up to 70% of patients remain positive in culture and that at Ct = 30 this value drops to 20%. At Ct = 35, the value we used to report a positive result for PCR, % of cultures are positive. Our Ct value of 35, initially based on the results obtained by RT-PCR on control negative samples in our laboratory and initial results of cultures [8], is validated by the results herein presented and is in correlation with what was proposed in Korea [9] and Taiwan [10]. We could observe that subcultures, especially the first one, allow an increasing percentage of viral isolation in samples with Ct values, confirming that these high Ct values are mostly correlated with low viral loads. From our cohort, we now need to try to understand and define the duration and frequency of live virus shedding in patients on a case-by-case basis in the rare cases when the PCR is positive beyond 10 days, often at a Ct >30. In any cases, these rare cases should not impact public health decisions.
Meni se zdi, da se marsikaj ve o virusu, samo se vsega ne da v javnost. Ali se pa dejansko še vedno nič ne ve ... sploh ko poslušam naše strokovnjake.A niso pred parimi meseci pisali, da sta 2 seva...eden blazji, drugi hujsi? Torej, nekaj mora biti na tem.
Ko je "normalen virus" gre normalno cez populacijo, vsake toliko pride pa en "čuden virus", je pa totalno sranje.Ma cuden je ta virus. Eden je zdrav pa najebe, drugi je ze bolan za umret pa prezivi z enim dnevim vrocine.
Sevov je že ogromno.A niso pred parimi meseci pisali, da sta 2 seva...eden blazji, drugi hujsi? Torej, nekaj mora biti na tem.
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The correlation between the scanner values and the positivity of the culture allows us to observe that the image obtained with 10 times more isolates than in our preliminary work (1941 vs 129) does not change significantly (Figure 1). It can be observed that at Ct = 25, up to 70% of patients remain positive in culture and that at Ct = 30 this value drops to 20%. At Ct = 35, the value we used to report a positive result for PCR, 3% of cultures are positive. Our Ct value of 35, initially based on the results obtained by RT-PCR on control negative samples in our laboratory and initial results of cultures [8], is validated by the results herein presented and is in correlation with what was proposed in Korea [9] and Taiwan [10]. We could observe that subcultures, especially the first one, allow an increasing percentage of viral isolation in samples with Ct values, confirming that these high Ct values are mostly correlated with low viral loads. From our cohort, we now need to try to understand and define the duration and frequency of live virus shedding in patients on a case-by-case basis in the rare cases when the PCR is positive beyond 10 days, often at a Ct >30. In any cases, these rare cases should not impact public health decisions.
Sem par dni nazaj bral, da sta vsaj 2 seva takšna, da imata izjemne lastnosti širjenja in razmnoževanja. Naši strokovnjaki govorijo o osebah superprenašalcih in jim ni jasno, zakaj imajo določene osebe takšno izjemno lastnost super širjenja virusa. A ni to bolj lastnost določenega seva virusa, da se izjemno širi, ne pa super lastnost tega posameznika?Sevov je že ogromno.
Samo so razlike med njimi malenkostne. Še najbolj je odstopal tisti iz krznenih farm na severu
Bo kar lastnost posameznika. Asimptomatska okužba, ki jo veselo trosi naokoli.Sem par dni nazaj bral, da sta vsaj 2 seva takšna, da imata izjemne lastnosti širjenja in razmnoževanja virusa. Naši strokovnjaki govorijo o osebah superprenašalcih in jim ni jasno, zakaj imajo določene osebe takšno izjemno lastnost super širjenja virusa. A ni to bolj lastnost določenega seva virusa, da se izjemno širi, ne pa super lastnost tega posameznika?
Saj se to tudi dogaja, kjer govorijo o žariščih.Bo kar lastnost posameznika. Asimptomatska okužba, ki jo veselo trosi naokoli.
Če bi bila to posebnost tega seva, bi tudi vsi okuženi noro trosili virus dalje.
Meni se zdi, da se marsikaj ve o virusu, samo se vsega ne da v javnost. Ali se pa dejansko še vedno nič ne ve ... sploh ko poslušam naše strokovnjake.
Ker se je družilo več ljudi, ne ker bi obstajal noro kužen sev.Saj se to tudi dogaja, kjer govorijo o žariščih.
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Interpretacija raziskave je pomanjkljiva, kar bumbarji širijo dalje po spletu, pa čisti bikov drek.
PCR čisto dobro pokaže, a imaš/si imel virus v sebi. Treba je le pravilno interpretirati rezultate, da se loči dejansko kužne od tistih, ki imajo zelo malo virusa, ali pa le ostanke le tega po preboleli infekciji.
Ne vem, ce je to stvar seva. Meni je slo cez s tremi veceri malo polne glave in povecane zeje, od teh, od katerih pa sem garantirano dobil, pa en teden vrocine med 37.5 in 38.5, bolecine v sklepih in huda zdelanost.Vedno bolj dvomim da sploh pravi virus iscemo...