Bom pa še jaz: Accord, Mazda6 al BMW 3
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malce off: ampak razmisliti je mogoče smiselno tuidi o Mercedezu C , zadnji letniki so menda zelo OK, sploh po prenovi (2011)
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/c-class
ni ravno na nivoju BMW 3 , ampak nekih znanih napak pa nima.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/c-class
ni ravno na nivoju BMW 3 , ampak nekih znanih napak pa nima.
Ok, jaz vas ne razumem več. Tule opevate bimerja, kot bi bil najmanj zlat. Kaj so tiste stvari, ki so npr. tako boljše, kot pri recimo hondi accord. Mene npr motijo sledeče reči, pri bimerju, ki ga ima kolega:
- plastika je vsa olupljena, zelo redki so avtomobili, kjer so stikala "cela", pa plastike ob prestavni ročici
- serija 3 ma prostora zadaj 0
Direktno ti nemorem odgovorit...sem pa pred časom prebral tole:
Month 3 running an Audi RS4 Avant: how does the V8 RS4 compare to the diesel 330d?
You did what? I’ve lost count of the number of people who wanted to section me for turning down the chance to run an RS4 in favour of life with a diesel BMW. My defence opens every time with a swift reminder that a picture might be worth a thousand words, but seat time is twice as valuable. The RS4 looks and sounds so spectacularly good, no one wants to believe the reality doesn’t live up to the hype. Sadly, it doesn’t.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I haven’t enjoyed the RS4. I love the sound the thing makes when you wake it from cold and the throttle response that could only be achieved on a turbo-free motor. And I love the way the arches so discreetly enhance the stance of what is already a fine-looking wagon. I’ll even concede that, dynamically, the RS4 is infinitely preferable to the loathsome RS5 we used to run.
I’m not going to bang on about its inability to drift like the BMW because, really, that’s irrelevant for all but one in a million drivers. For the record, it is surprisingly throttle adjustable, but you need to be on a smooth racetrack to experience the best of it.
On UK roads the ride quality varies from a high of poor to a low of unusable, depending on which setting you’ve selected from dampers which seem as adaptable as Hugh Grant’s acting. Also, the fat front tyres seem to hunt out ruts and cambers, particularly under heavy braking.
And performance deserves a mention. I’ve no problem with the power being top-end focused, but the delivery is almost too smooth for its own good. Despite their similar capacity, cylinder count, 8000rpm capability and outputs, the soon-to-depart BMW M3’s engine is vastly more exciting. It sounds angrier, and kicks the gears home harder.
Other irritations could easily be solved. Why isn’t keyless entry standard on a £55k car? And why is the Dynamic Drive selector such a boringly anonymous black plastic switch instead of the really cool knurled rotary dial it should be?
There is a truly brilliant fast estate in there, but until Audi polishes off the rough edges, I’d sooner take a sweeter-steering C63 wagon (wearing winter tyres during the cold months). Or even a dull-looking black diesel that rides properly, kicks like a supersaloon in the mid-range, yet is averaging almost 40mpg. Greg, can I have the 330d back yet?
By Chris Chilton
Month 3 running an Audi RS4 Avant: how does the V8 RS4 compare to the diesel 330d?
You did what? I’ve lost count of the number of people who wanted to section me for turning down the chance to run an RS4 in favour of life with a diesel BMW. My defence opens every time with a swift reminder that a picture might be worth a thousand words, but seat time is twice as valuable. The RS4 looks and sounds so spectacularly good, no one wants to believe the reality doesn’t live up to the hype. Sadly, it doesn’t.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not that I haven’t enjoyed the RS4. I love the sound the thing makes when you wake it from cold and the throttle response that could only be achieved on a turbo-free motor. And I love the way the arches so discreetly enhance the stance of what is already a fine-looking wagon. I’ll even concede that, dynamically, the RS4 is infinitely preferable to the loathsome RS5 we used to run.
I’m not going to bang on about its inability to drift like the BMW because, really, that’s irrelevant for all but one in a million drivers. For the record, it is surprisingly throttle adjustable, but you need to be on a smooth racetrack to experience the best of it.
On UK roads the ride quality varies from a high of poor to a low of unusable, depending on which setting you’ve selected from dampers which seem as adaptable as Hugh Grant’s acting. Also, the fat front tyres seem to hunt out ruts and cambers, particularly under heavy braking.
And performance deserves a mention. I’ve no problem with the power being top-end focused, but the delivery is almost too smooth for its own good. Despite their similar capacity, cylinder count, 8000rpm capability and outputs, the soon-to-depart BMW M3’s engine is vastly more exciting. It sounds angrier, and kicks the gears home harder.
Other irritations could easily be solved. Why isn’t keyless entry standard on a £55k car? And why is the Dynamic Drive selector such a boringly anonymous black plastic switch instead of the really cool knurled rotary dial it should be?
There is a truly brilliant fast estate in there, but until Audi polishes off the rough edges, I’d sooner take a sweeter-steering C63 wagon (wearing winter tyres during the cold months). Or even a dull-looking black diesel that rides properly, kicks like a supersaloon in the mid-range, yet is averaging almost 40mpg. Greg, can I have the 330d back yet?
By Chris Chilton
Pojdi ga peljat in boš videl, drugače sem ravno danes gledal Hondo Accord tourer ki je sicer precej velik voz,a je prtljažnik manjši kot v trojki touring ...
Resda BMW 3 ni namenjen štirim dvometrašem, je pa povsem dovolj za družino z manjhnimi otroki.
Pri nakupu moraš imeti malce sreče, tako kot pri vseh ostalih rabljenih avtih, vseeno glej zadnje letnike (LCI), torej 2009, še bolje 2010 ...
Resda BMW 3 ni namenjen štirim dvometrašem, je pa povsem dovolj za družino z manjhnimi otroki.
Pri nakupu moraš imeti malce sreče, tako kot pri vseh ostalih rabljenih avtih, vseeno glej zadnje letnike (LCI), torej 2009, še bolje 2010 ...
Bil sem precej za bmw, dokler nisem danes na bmw slo forumu bral cca. 25 strani o problemih z verigami. Ne vem no zdaj naj prodam pezoja, ki mi dela ze sest let bp, zato da bom dal ful denarja za bavarca, kjer bom samo poslusal kdaj mi bo zacela rozljati veriga. Se mi zdi da pri hondi ni takih problemov.
Statistika pove svoje - razlike med proizvajalci so in to velike in niti slučajno ni vseeno kaj kupiš.
Npr.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/introduction/1206676
Sem bil pred tremi leti pred podobno dilemo, vzel sem Accorda CTDi in mi niti malo ni žal. Do sedaj niti najmanjše težave.
Npr.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/introduction/1206676
Sem bil pred tremi leti pred podobno dilemo, vzel sem Accorda CTDi in mi niti malo ni žal. Do sedaj niti najmanjše težave.
Pri Bmw je dobro to, da ga znajo lastniki spljuvat, grajat, no vsaj na forumu.... Nekaterih znamk lastniki enostavno ne znajo grajat, samo hvalijo.
BMW ima serijsko zanič odštancan verižnik, ki načne verigo, ki se na koncu strga. Če imaš motor s to težavo, bodo težave, prej ali slej.
PUMA 13588845-03 incidence recorded by BMW and its repair
Diligence-number Item
43863106-03 N47, N47S, N47T, rustling sound in the engine, timing chain rubs.
Approval date (day.month.year) Status Organization
Approved 14.12.11 Germany, automobiles
Vehicles affected
E Series Motor Body
E60 E61 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47DKO N47S N47T E61 E60 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47S N47T N47DKO
E84 E87 E88 E90 E91 E87 E84 E88 E90 E91
E92 E93 F10 F11 F25 E93 E92 F10 F11 F25
Feedback Comment production interval Feedback
(From / to) on the production interval diligence (day.month.year) to (day.month.year)
/ 01.03.11 / 01.03.11
Complaint
Sound of friction drag on the engine from about 1500 rpm, which is visible from the inside.
The noise can be perceived in area of the gearbox housing and the oil pan.
Cause
Excessively sharp edges on the sprockets, the chain does not flow evenly over the guides.
Measures
We must distinguish two cases:
Case 1:
For engines N47, N47DKO, N47S, interval from 01.03.2007 to production 05.01.2009.
In case of customer complaint must change the following parts:
(See Annexes, Figures 1 to 7.) - Nov. 21 7803479 Sutitución the crankshaft bearings.
Caution: Use only crankshafts with a production date back to 5. 1. 1. 2009 2009
The production date is printed on crankshaft sprocket (see page 2 of the Annex)
Meaning of the figures:
The first two indicate the assembly line.
The 6 following year (two digits), month, day.
Last 5 indicate the reference number of the crankshaft.
Thus, the crankshaft shown on page 2 of the annex was built on October 21, 2009.
41 -11 7,797,896 chain oil pump.
11 31 8 506 652 Timing Chain bottom.
13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the high pressure pump.
11 27 7 800 523 sprocket (intermediate for balance shafts).
11 8,510,014 31 Supply Chain superior.
-11 7,797,899 31 Timing Chain Guide above.
-13 7,797,904 52 Timing Chain Guide below.
Note: Adjusting the intermediate gear shafts accurately balanced according to workshop manual. In case this intermediate sprocket and the balance shafts are not sufficiently fit, the motor can still giving rise to noise despite the new crankshaft.
See November 21 workshop manual 500 "crankshaft replacement."
Note: In the case of vehicles to which a previous repair and they replaced the crankshaft:
Proceed with these vehicles as detailed in "Case 2".
Case 2:
N47 engine, N47DKO, N47S, N47T production interval 05.01.2009 - 01.03.2011
In case of customer complaint replace the following parts:
(See Appendix, Art 8 to 10)
-11 8,506,652 31 Supply Chain bottom.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket high pressure pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 Supply Chain superior.
-11 7,797,899 31 Timing Chain Guide above.
-13 7,797,904 52 Timing Chain Guide below.
Note: There is no need to release the binding thread of the intermediate toothed wheel balancer shafts.
Note: As of March 2011 there are new guidelines. These guidelines do not bring reinforcing ribs.
(See Appendix, pp. 7 and 10.)
In this way the inner surface of the guides is smooth throughout its length and the timing chain runs easily on them.
They have not changed the references.
Note: During the repair make sure guides are mounted without lateral veins (in the Annex, Art 7 and 10.)
Attention:
No repairs are allowed in vehicles with production date after 03/2011 and vehicles in which all existing measures have already been made. The sound now is the moment, the normal state of this world! No risk of broken chain!
Not allowed engine change because of this claim!
PUMA 13588845-03 incidence recorded by BMW and its repair
Diligence-number Item
43863106-03 N47, N47S, N47T, rustling sound in the engine, timing chain rubs.
Approval date (day.month.year) Status Organization
Approved 14.12.11 Germany, automobiles
Vehicles affected
E Series Motor Body
E60 E61 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47DKO N47S N47T E61 E60 E81 E82 E83 N47 N47S N47T N47DKO
E84 E87 E88 E90 E91 E87 E84 E88 E90 E91
E92 E93 F10 F11 F25 E93 E92 F10 F11 F25
Feedback Comment production interval Feedback
(From / to) on the production interval diligence (day.month.year) to (day.month.year)
/ 01.03.11 / 01.03.11
Complaint
Sound of friction drag on the engine from about 1500 rpm, which is visible from the inside.
The noise can be perceived in area of the gearbox housing and the oil pan.
Cause
Excessively sharp edges on the sprockets, the chain does not flow evenly over the guides.
Measures
We must distinguish two cases:
Case 1:
For engines N47, N47DKO, N47S, interval from 01.03.2007 to production 05.01.2009.
In case of customer complaint must change the following parts:
(See Annexes, Figures 1 to 7.) - Nov. 21 7803479 Sutitución the crankshaft bearings.
Caution: Use only crankshafts with a production date back to 5. 1. 1. 2009 2009
The production date is printed on crankshaft sprocket (see page 2 of the Annex)
Meaning of the figures:
The first two indicate the assembly line.
The 6 following year (two digits), month, day.
Last 5 indicate the reference number of the crankshaft.
Thus, the crankshaft shown on page 2 of the annex was built on October 21, 2009.
41 -11 7,797,896 chain oil pump.
11 31 8 506 652 Timing Chain bottom.
13 52 7 797 906 sprocket for driving the high pressure pump.
11 27 7 800 523 sprocket (intermediate for balance shafts).
11 8,510,014 31 Supply Chain superior.
-11 7,797,899 31 Timing Chain Guide above.
-13 7,797,904 52 Timing Chain Guide below.
Note: Adjusting the intermediate gear shafts accurately balanced according to workshop manual. In case this intermediate sprocket and the balance shafts are not sufficiently fit, the motor can still giving rise to noise despite the new crankshaft.
See November 21 workshop manual 500 "crankshaft replacement."
Note: In the case of vehicles to which a previous repair and they replaced the crankshaft:
Proceed with these vehicles as detailed in "Case 2".
Case 2:
N47 engine, N47DKO, N47S, N47T production interval 05.01.2009 - 01.03.2011
In case of customer complaint replace the following parts:
(See Appendix, Art 8 to 10)
-11 8,506,652 31 Supply Chain bottom.
- 13 52 7 797 906 sprocket high pressure pump.
- 11 31 8 510 014 Supply Chain superior.
-11 7,797,899 31 Timing Chain Guide above.
-13 7,797,904 52 Timing Chain Guide below.
Note: There is no need to release the binding thread of the intermediate toothed wheel balancer shafts.
Note: As of March 2011 there are new guidelines. These guidelines do not bring reinforcing ribs.
(See Appendix, pp. 7 and 10.)
In this way the inner surface of the guides is smooth throughout its length and the timing chain runs easily on them.
They have not changed the references.
Note: During the repair make sure guides are mounted without lateral veins (in the Annex, Art 7 and 10.)
Attention:
No repairs are allowed in vehicles with production date after 03/2011 and vehicles in which all existing measures have already been made. The sound now is the moment, the normal state of this world! No risk of broken chain!
Not allowed engine change because of this claim!
