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Vadim je (imho) mislil, da kot Grkinja verjetno (beri: definitivno) ni imela črne barve kože in ne, da ni imela črne barve las.

Sicer pa so se med drugim o tem razpisali tudi sami Grki:


Cleopatra VII Philopator (Greek: Κλεοπάτρα Φιλοπάτωρ; 69 BC – 10 August 30 BC), often referred to simply as Cleopatra, was Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, and its last active ruler. A member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, she was a descendant of its founder Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian Greek general and companion of Alexander the Great. After the death of Cleopatra, Egypt became a province of the Roman Empire, marking the end of the second to last Hellenistic state and the age that had lasted since the reign of Alexander (336–323 BC). Her native language was Koine Greek, and she was the only Ptolemaic ruler to learn the Egyptian language.
 

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Vadim je (imho) mislil, da kot Grkinja verjetno (beri: definitivno) ni imela črne barve kože in ne, da ni imela črne barve las.

Sicer pa so se med drugim o tem razpisali tudi sami Grki:

Črne kože seveda ne (moja napaka), črne lase pa brez problema. Kake lase pa imajo Grkinje? Temno rjave ali črne...
Pa tako, za konec: najprej Julij Cezar, potem Antonij, prej pa ubila brata - res prava ženska tistega časa...
Pa daj, naj nekdo izumi časovni stroj, pa da vidimo... :)
 

Matey

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Črne lase imajo Grki kar pogosto. Drugače se pa najdejo tudi indici, da je bila Cleopatra rdečelasa:

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A posthumous painted portrait of Cleopatra VII of Ptolemaic Egypt, from Roman Herculaneum, made sometime between 30 BC, i.e. Cleopatra's death, and 79 AD, i.e. the destruction of Herculaneum by the volcanic eruption of Mount Vesuvius; it is located in the National Archaeological Museum of Naples. Dr. Joann Fletcher (Cleopatra the Great: the Woman Behind the Legend, New York: Harper, 2008, plates between pp. 246-247), Honorary Research Fellow at the University of York, writes the following in description of this painting:
Painted image from a villa at Herculaneum portraying a red-haired woman whose facial features, royal diadem and hairstyle adorned with fine pearl-studded hairpins suggest a posthumous portrait of Cleopatra VII.
Fletcher describes the painting further on page 87:
Cleopatra's hair was maintained by her highly skilled hairdresser Eiras. Although rather artificial looking wigs set in the traditional tripartite style of long straight hair would have been required for her appearances before her Egyptian subjects, a more practical option for general day-to-day wear was the no-nonsense 'melon hairdo' in which her natural hair was drawn back in sections resembling the lines on a melon and then pinned up in a bun at the back of the head. A trademark style of Arsinoe II and Berenike II, the style had fallen from fashion for almost two centuries until revived by Cleopatra; yet as both traditionalist and innovator, she wore her version without her predecessor's fine head veil. And whereas they had both been blonde like Alexander, Cleopatra may well have been a redhead, judging from the portrait of a flame-haired woman wearing the royal diadem surrounded by Egyptian motifs which has been identified as Cleopatra.
 

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Temnopolti vsekakor niso. Še Egipčani so imeli temne Nubijce za sužnje.
Parkrat na leto sem v Egiptu... službeno.
Nubija je bila izvor zlata za Egipt.
Imaš bele in totalno črne - vsi so Egipčani. V Kairu je že mešanica vseh, bolj greš južno, temnejši so...
Nubijske vasi (črni) so sestavni del Asuana. Tam živijo že... let...
In ko se sprehajaš po Asuanu težko vidiš belega Egipčana...
 

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Parkrat na leto sem v Egiptu... službeno.
Nubija je bila izvor zlata za Egipt.
Imaš bele in totalno črne - vsi so Egipčani. V Kairu je že mešanica vseh, bolj greš južno, temnejši so...
Nubijske vasi (črni) so sestavni del Asuana. Tam živijo že... let...
In ko se sprehajaš po Asuanu težko vidiš belega Egipčana...
Govoril sem o letih pred Kristusom
 

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Parkrat na leto sem v Egiptu... službeno.
Nubija je bila izvor zlata za Egipt.
Imaš bele in totalno črne - vsi so Egipčani. V Kairu je že mešanica vseh, bolj greš južno, temnejši so...
Nubijske vasi (črni) so sestavni del Asuana. Tam živijo že... let...
In ko se sprehajaš po Asuanu težko vidiš belega Egipčana...
Ja, tako je danes. Ampak današnja situacija je verjetno "malce" drugačna od tistee izpred par tisoč let :D

In ja, črnci so bili tudi že takrat prisotni ampak kot sužnji:
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Matey

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Ena zanimiva raziskava:

Modern Egyptians share 8% of their genome with central Africans, far more than ancient ones, according to the study, published in the journal Nature Communications. The influx of sub-Saharan genes only occurred within the last 1,500 years. This could be attributed to the trans-Saharan slave trade or just from regular, long distance trade between the two regions.