Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
23. jul 2008
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ceedevita

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si prvič za računalnikom ali samo malo bolj šlatek !?

"http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-ukraine-crisis-usa-sanctions-exclusive-20140424,0,6862914.story"

Exclusive: Obama plans to call EU leaders in Russia sanctions push - sources

U.S. President Barack Obama addresses a news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the Akasaka guesthouse in Tokyo

U.S. President Barack Obama addresses a news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the Akasaka guesthouse in Tokyo (POOL, REUTERS / April 24, 2014)
Arshad Mohammed Reuters

5:52 a.m. CDT, April 25, 2014

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to speak to several European leaders on Friday to try to nudge the EU toward fresh sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, sources familiar with the matter said.

Disagreements among European Union nations on whether to impose new economic sanctions on Russia have held up punitive steps by the United States, said the sources on condition of anonymity, but Washington could also act on its own.

U.S. officials have grown increasingly impatient with what they describe as Russia's failure to live up to its commitments in an April 17 agreement reached in Geneva to try to de-escalate the crisis in Ukraine.

The United States is also frustrated at the reluctance of some European nations, notably Germany and Italy, to impose a new round of economic sanctions on Russia but it would much prefer to act in concert with the EU rather than on its own.

The sources said Obama was expected to speak in a conference call on Friday with British Prime Minister David Cameron, French President Francois Hollande, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi to discuss the issue.

A senior administration official confirmed that the president intended to call European allies to discuss sanctions.

Obama is in Asia on a four-nation trip. Speaking in Tokyo on Thursday, he blamed Russia for failing to carry out the Geneva deal and said he was ready to impose new sanctions.

A GRAVE AND EXPENSIVE MISTAKE

In a sign of growing U.S. concern about Ukraine, Secretary of State John Kerry issued what amounted to a warning to Russia not to invade. Russia has some 40,000 troops on its border with Ukraine, some of which staged military exercises on Thursday.

"Following today's threatening movement of Russian troops right up to Ukraine's border, let me be clear: If Russia continues in this direction, it will not just be a grave mistake, it will be an expensive mistake," he said in a hastily arranged appearance at the State Department.

The United States accuses Russia of backing separatists in eastern Ukraine as part of a deliberate attempt to destabilize the region, undermine elections planned for next month, and gain greater influence over Kiev.

Russia seized and annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine last month after President Vladimir Putin overturned decades of post-Cold War diplomacy by announcing the right to use military force in neighboring countries.

Under the accord struck by Russia, Ukraine, the United States and European Union in Geneva last week, illegal armed groups are supposed to disarm and go home, including rebels occupying about a dozen buildings in the largely Russian-speaking east.

The rebels have shown no sign of retreating.

"As President Obama reiterated earlier today, we are ready to act," Kerry said on Thursday.

When he announced the Geneva agreement a week ago, the U.S. secretary of state had said that if Russia did not take steps "over the course of these next days" there would be additional sanctions as a consequence.

Several sources said that the United States did not, however, wish to act on its own.

Washington's basic reasoning is that the practical effect on Russia's economy and markets, as well as the symbolic import of further sanctions, will be greater if the United States is seen to be acting in concert with the European Union.

The United States has so far imposed three rounds of sanctions in connection with the unrest in Ukraine - two aimed at Russian targets and a third focused on Crimean individuals and a Crimean gas company.

The European Union is highly dependent on Russian gas deliveries, and the crisis over Ukraine has fanned concerns about future supply. Russia is also an important market for many EU exporters, notably in Germany.

On March 21, the EU imposed sanctions on 12 Russians and Ukrainians because of Moscow's takeover of Crimea, bringing the number of people targeted by EU asset freezes and travel bans to 33.

On April 14, the EU agreed to expand the list of people subject to such penalties but the bloc has yet to agree on the names or to actually impose the sanctions.

(Additional reporting by Mark Felsenthal; Editing by Paul Tait)
 

AndY1

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Uporabnik titov pravi:

No, to smrti 19 policistov ni nobeden našel novice, ki bi potrdila to domnevo, tako, da verjetno ne drži.

Kako, ne drži? Pa saj sem tukaj prilepil filmček, kjer se vidi dejanje. Ampak, tega ne boš prebral v zahodnih medijih.
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
23. jul 2008
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Uporabnik ceedevita pravi:
si prvič za računalnikom ali samo malo bolj šlatek !?

Snnnn probo dat
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pa ni vrglo nobene novice s takim naslovom....kot vidiš C/P pokvari link...

Lp, škrat Bolfen`k
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titov

Fizikalc
12. jun 2008
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Citat:
Uporabnik AndY1 pravi:
Citat:
Uporabnik titov pravi:

No, to smrti 19 policistov ni nobeden našel novice, ki bi potrdila to domnevo, tako, da verjetno ne drži.

Kako, ne drži? Pa saj sem tukaj prilepil filmček, kjer se vidi dejanje. Ampak, tega ne boš prebral v zahodnih medijih.

Vidi se, da je nekdo zapeljal med policiste - koliko je bilo mrtvih se ne vidi. Najdi novico, npr. na RT, kjer je to potrjeno, ker zadnjič je kar nekaj ljudi iskalo potrditev pa ni nihče nič našel.
 

ceedevita

Majstr
24. jul 2009
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dokazov res ni, je pa nekdo tu nekaj napisal :

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=384_1397072724

Peaceful Maidan protester rams truck into crowd of unarmed riot police, 14 dead, many injured

Something you will never see in the Western media, certainly not here in Canada..

This event took place well before the first shots were fired at the Maidan (Kiev) uprising. According to an old school contact of mine in Kiev, the truck was driven by a representative of the Right Sector faction. This resulted in the death of 14 riot police and many more injured. It is rumored that the driver of this truck is one of the people on the list of 'martyrs' of the Maidan uprising now being celebrated in the newly formed parliament as a hero.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=384_1397072724#ydAPzcDFS1bEqmb3.99

je pa seveda kredibilnost zapisa vprašljiva

če se ne motim je to iz drugega zornega kota in je govora o treh poškodovanih policajih

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su99GqXysfQ

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/19/ukraine-protest-violence_n_4817719.html

 

darjan

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13. sep 2007
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Lol, dripci teroristi so šli člane OSCE zajet, zdaj pa pravijo da rabijo posvet s rusijo prvo, če jih spustijo ali ne
 

8888

mesija - Assassin's Creep
8. jul 2010
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blizu močvirne prestolnice
Pa od kje Rusom pravica do vzhodnega dela Ukrajine, saj je dokazano da so tudi tam Rusi v manjšini?

Cedeevita, večina Rusov v Ukrajini je prilo na tista ozemlja po letu 1930, tako da če jim kaj ne paše, se naj lepo vrnejo!00
 

Diablo

Fizikalc
19. jul 2007
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Meni tudi tole bolj zgleda na 3je poškodovani..tista prva kamera pa res lahko zavaja in kamot spodaj napiše da je 20 mrtvih...na tej strani se pa vidi, da so se vsi razkadili.
 

titov

Fizikalc
12. jun 2008
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Ne vem. Situacija je podobna kot, da bi se pri nas recimo Jesenice hotele odcepiti od Slovenije in pridružiti BIH. :D
 

8888

mesija - Assassin's Creep
8. jul 2010
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Recimo da ni glih isto.
Monsinjor Stanislav Zsyrokoriadiuk, ki ga je papež Frančišek nedavno imenoval za škofa vse vzhodne Ukrajine s sedežem v Harkovu, je za munchenski Domradio izjavil, da so prebivalci vzhodnega in južnega dela Ukrajine manj usmerjeni k Rusiji kot na Krimu. Če bi prišlo do referenduma, jih bo za pridružitev Rusiji glasovalo okoli dvajset odstotkov.
 

Matey

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6. sep 2007
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Ja potem pa naj dopustijo referendum in s tem pristanejo na nek kompromis s proruskimi protestniki pa se ne bo treba več streljat a ne? Zmaga (Ukrajine) in mir zagotovljena
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Ytbnd

Guru
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Matey
Naivnež, ti protesti so orkestrirani s strani Rusije in blodenj Putina, ki želi obnoviti Veliko Rusko carstvo..
 

Matey

AlterZavarovalničar
6. sep 2007
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Super. Potem bo toliko bolje oz. slajše, ko bodo zatrli njegove sanje velika carstva z lahko zmago na referendumu v lastni državi
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8888

mesija - Assassin's Creep
8. jul 2010
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Uporabnik Matey pravi:
Ja potem pa naj dopustijo referendum in s tem pristanejo na nek kompromis s proruskimi protestniki pa se ne bo treba več streljat a ne? Zmaga (Ukrajine) in mir zagotovljena
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Dokler bodo pred volišči stali s šmajserji mi verjemi da ne bo pravega rezultata, Rusi pa so tu okupatorji, tako da naj kar spokajo nazaj na stepe.
 

Matey

AlterZavarovalničar
6. sep 2007
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Misliš, da bi tudi tukaj izgledalo tako kot referendum na Krimu?