Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu
- Ustvarjalec teme darjan
- Začetni datum
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29825890
Če bil bil ti Ruski sosed, ki ni Kitajska, bi tudi tebe skrbelo.
Če se komu ne da okvarjat z ostalim, naj pogleda prvih 20 sekund:
http://ukraineinvestigation.com/shot-people-maidan-alpha-commander-interrogation/
The commander of the elite special forces unit “Alpha” Volodymyr Chovhanyuk during the interrogation shared his version of events that happened on Maidan in Kyiv February 20, 2014. During the operation Chovhanyuk was the first sub-commander of the Alpha unit. During the commission lead by Verhovna Rada, general Henadiy Moskal’ literary started interrogating the suspect. Here’s a translation of their conversation.
- Was the Alpha unit involved in actions on February 20?
- Yes, it was, on February 18 and 20.
...
- What was your task? Why did you receive a command to get inside the labor house?
- The antiterrorist operation “Boomerang” had been announced.
...
- Have you seen the plan with your own eyes? Your surname and your cell number are mentioned in it.
- The commander of the antiterrorist operation saw the plan with his own eyes.
- What is your code name?
- Indian.
- That is correct. His name is in the plan.
- No one is denying that. I, personally, was in charge of the war unit.
- How many of you landed on the labor house?
- 238 people. But we didn’t land – we came in.
- Via “Khreshchatyk” hotel?
- Yes.
- Do you really have that many people?
- Beside the Kyiv unit regional units were also involved – Kremenchuh, Crimea and other regional units.
...
After that the committee started showing pictures that were published on the American site The daily Beast. Chovhanyuk confirmed that these are SBU officers on the territory of the SBU building at Volodymyrs’ka street, 33.
- And why yes? Well, OK. The author of this article says that he has 90 GB of recorded videos and photos taken on February 20 and 21. Where were you heading?
- We were on the move almost all the time. This particular move could have been anywhere including the shooting range for training.
- Is that a sniper rifle inside that cover?
- It is hard for me to tell?
- Then come closer.
- You know – I can see well.
- So what might it be?
- So, what if it’s a sniper rifle?
- Listen, you get very irritated when we ask you these questions. We are simply talking here in public and we just want to find out who was shooting people on Maidan. Can you, as an expert, tell us what is that?
- There might be a sniper rifle or an assault rifle…
- As for me, it’s definitely a sniper because of the long barrel. But OK, let’s move on. What the yellow armbands mean?
- Recognition system.
...
- Then why did the special squadron with assault rifles, who also dressed up like you, put on the yellow armbands?
- All units have had pretty much the same equipment.
...
- Are these all your cars on the photos from Volodymyrs’ka street?
- Yes, these are our cars.
- Then why all the preparations have been done not on the territory of the base?
- Back then almost all personnel was moved to Volodumurs’ka 33 to strengthen the administrative building of SBU.
- The author of the article claims that this is February 20.
- It is hard for me to tell what the author wanted to say with all that. He was recording from one of the buildings on Volodumurs’ka street.
...
- Are the radio talks, published on the internet, between your snipers?
- I’ll be honest with you – I do not use internet. I was told that there are some recording but I haven’t heard them.
- There is your code name there.
- I was not on the cabinet of ministers building. 100 men had been sent there, including snipers.
Ukraine: Security services 'infiltrated protest groups'
Ukraine's security services infiltrated anti-government protest groups and plotted to provoke conflict between demonstrators ahead of the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, according to documents published on the Ukrayinska Pravda website.
The papers, made public by opposition MP Henadiy Moskal, claim secret agents were instructed to discredit opposition protesters by faking attacks on Kiev's residents and by instigating robberies.
...
Here are 10 key extracts, with analysis from BBC Ukraine analyst Olexiy Solohubenko:
1. 'Imitate fires'
TRANSLATION: Imitate a fire using simulated pyrotechnic devices (smoke bombs) in tents, the Kiev city state administration, the Trade Unions Building and Zhovtnevyy Palace in a violation of fire safety rules.
ANALYSIS: There were many reports of fires, either in tents or in adjacent buildings, resulting in a major fire at the Trade Unions House - the HQ of the protestors.
...
8/9. 'Create grounds for anti-terror op'
TRANSLATION: With the purpose of rendering impossible the continuation of the protest in central Kiev, put into practice the plan for creating grounds for the anti-terrorist operation Boomerang under the pretext of the prevention of terrorist offences.
TRANSLATION: Ensure that weapons, explosive substances and also objects resembling improvised explosive devices and ammunition are found during searches of the buildings, facilities and tents, and that the aforementioned facts are covered by the media.
ANALYSIS: Boomerang was the code name of the operation that included snipers, which resulted in multiple deaths in Kiev. Obviously the SBU [security service] knew about the plan and there were repeated reports about weapons allegedly stored in large number among the protestors. In one case, explosives were handed over to two young men in the protestors' HQ. They were badly injured when they opened the packet. While there were reports of firearms used by the protestors on 22 February, none of those killed by the snipers appeared to be carrying any guns.
http://ukraineinvestigation.com/shot-people-maidan-alpha-commander-interrogation/
The commander of the elite special forces unit “Alpha” Volodymyr Chovhanyuk during the interrogation shared his version of events that happened on Maidan in Kyiv February 20, 2014. During the operation Chovhanyuk was the first sub-commander of the Alpha unit. During the commission lead by Verhovna Rada, general Henadiy Moskal’ literary started interrogating the suspect. Here’s a translation of their conversation.
- Was the Alpha unit involved in actions on February 20?
- Yes, it was, on February 18 and 20.
...
- What was your task? Why did you receive a command to get inside the labor house?
- The antiterrorist operation “Boomerang” had been announced.
...
- Have you seen the plan with your own eyes? Your surname and your cell number are mentioned in it.
- The commander of the antiterrorist operation saw the plan with his own eyes.
- What is your code name?
- Indian.
- That is correct. His name is in the plan.
- No one is denying that. I, personally, was in charge of the war unit.
- How many of you landed on the labor house?
- 238 people. But we didn’t land – we came in.
- Via “Khreshchatyk” hotel?
- Yes.
- Do you really have that many people?
- Beside the Kyiv unit regional units were also involved – Kremenchuh, Crimea and other regional units.
...
After that the committee started showing pictures that were published on the American site The daily Beast. Chovhanyuk confirmed that these are SBU officers on the territory of the SBU building at Volodymyrs’ka street, 33.
- And why yes? Well, OK. The author of this article says that he has 90 GB of recorded videos and photos taken on February 20 and 21. Where were you heading?
- We were on the move almost all the time. This particular move could have been anywhere including the shooting range for training.
- Is that a sniper rifle inside that cover?
- It is hard for me to tell?
- Then come closer.
- You know – I can see well.
- So what might it be?
- So, what if it’s a sniper rifle?
- Listen, you get very irritated when we ask you these questions. We are simply talking here in public and we just want to find out who was shooting people on Maidan. Can you, as an expert, tell us what is that?
- There might be a sniper rifle or an assault rifle…
- As for me, it’s definitely a sniper because of the long barrel. But OK, let’s move on. What the yellow armbands mean?
- Recognition system.
...
- Then why did the special squadron with assault rifles, who also dressed up like you, put on the yellow armbands?
- All units have had pretty much the same equipment.
...
- Are these all your cars on the photos from Volodymyrs’ka street?
- Yes, these are our cars.
- Then why all the preparations have been done not on the territory of the base?
- Back then almost all personnel was moved to Volodumurs’ka 33 to strengthen the administrative building of SBU.
- The author of the article claims that this is February 20.
- It is hard for me to tell what the author wanted to say with all that. He was recording from one of the buildings on Volodumurs’ka street.
...
- Are the radio talks, published on the internet, between your snipers?
- I’ll be honest with you – I do not use internet. I was told that there are some recording but I haven’t heard them.
- There is your code name there.
- I was not on the cabinet of ministers building. 100 men had been sent there, including snipers.
Ukraine: Security services 'infiltrated protest groups'
Ukraine's security services infiltrated anti-government protest groups and plotted to provoke conflict between demonstrators ahead of the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, according to documents published on the Ukrayinska Pravda website.
The papers, made public by opposition MP Henadiy Moskal, claim secret agents were instructed to discredit opposition protesters by faking attacks on Kiev's residents and by instigating robberies.
...
Here are 10 key extracts, with analysis from BBC Ukraine analyst Olexiy Solohubenko:
1. 'Imitate fires'
TRANSLATION: Imitate a fire using simulated pyrotechnic devices (smoke bombs) in tents, the Kiev city state administration, the Trade Unions Building and Zhovtnevyy Palace in a violation of fire safety rules.
ANALYSIS: There were many reports of fires, either in tents or in adjacent buildings, resulting in a major fire at the Trade Unions House - the HQ of the protestors.
...
8/9. 'Create grounds for anti-terror op'
TRANSLATION: With the purpose of rendering impossible the continuation of the protest in central Kiev, put into practice the plan for creating grounds for the anti-terrorist operation Boomerang under the pretext of the prevention of terrorist offences.
TRANSLATION: Ensure that weapons, explosive substances and also objects resembling improvised explosive devices and ammunition are found during searches of the buildings, facilities and tents, and that the aforementioned facts are covered by the media.
ANALYSIS: Boomerang was the code name of the operation that included snipers, which resulted in multiple deaths in Kiev. Obviously the SBU [security service] knew about the plan and there were repeated reports about weapons allegedly stored in large number among the protestors. In one case, explosives were handed over to two young men in the protestors' HQ. They were badly injured when they opened the packet. While there were reports of firearms used by the protestors on 22 February, none of those killed by the snipers appeared to be carrying any guns.
Nazadnje urejeno:
Se bom odzval v Darjanovem stilu:
Jebemo Pac_Man
Začnem brat tvoj citat, pol pa se spomnim in pogledam od kod si linkal novico in itak BBC&Co oz. še "boljše" Ukraineinvestigation.com, LoL...
Dodatno pojasnilo: BBC & CNN zadeve so identične RTju, so PR trobila in jih je treba jemati z rezervo, nič ni pa narobe da vse objavljeno prebereš/pregledaš in s tem dopolnjuješ lastno mnenje.
Jebemo Pac_Man
Dodatno pojasnilo: BBC & CNN zadeve so identične RTju, so PR trobila in jih je treba jemati z rezervo, nič ni pa narobe da vse objavljeno prebereš/pregledaš in s tem dopolnjuješ lastno mnenje.
Dobro no, ampak RT je direktno ruski medij, rusija pa je vojaško sodelovala pri netenju nemirov @ vzhodu ukrajine. Čeprav je sprva to zanikala preko istih medijev, katere sedaj hvalite.
CNN & BCC sta medija, ki izhajata iz držav, ki niso bile vojaško prisotne na vzhodu ukrajine. Poleg tega pa prihajata iz t.i. "zahodnega razvitega sveta", katerega del smo tudi mi.
Ne razumem, če vam ta "naš svet" ni všeč, zakaj ostajate tu in pač ne greste drugam, če je "naš svet" pokvarjen, laže, etc...rusija pa obljubljena dežela, spakirat kufre pa gremo, al v čem je finta, ste neke vrste hinavci al kaj?
CNN & BCC sta medija, ki izhajata iz držav, ki niso bile vojaško prisotne na vzhodu ukrajine. Poleg tega pa prihajata iz t.i. "zahodnega razvitega sveta", katerega del smo tudi mi.
Ne razumem, če vam ta "naš svet" ni všeč, zakaj ostajate tu in pač ne greste drugam, če je "naš svet" pokvarjen, laže, etc...rusija pa obljubljena dežela, spakirat kufre pa gremo, al v čem je finta, ste neke vrste hinavci al kaj?
Linkal sem ti video kjer se lepo vidi Berkutov ostrostrelec na terenu in več Berkutovcev med streljanjem s kalašnikovkami.
Imaš tudi posnetek komunikacij 20. februarja, ko je bilo največ ustreljenih. 35, 36 in plus, minus morajo bit neke kode.
Brez BBC-jev in blogovskih interpretacij.
Imaš tudi posnetek komunikacij 20. februarja, ko je bilo največ ustreljenih. 35, 36 in plus, minus morajo bit neke kode.
Brez BBC-jev in blogovskih interpretacij.
Ja, sem neke sorte hinavec. Mislim kakšne se to strelja po alterju no, zdej če se ne strinjam s zahrbtno zahodno politiko pa najbolje da se kar izselim, fak kere izjave
In LOL, RT je ruski medij, ki je vpletena v krizo, BBC&CNN sta pa bolj objektivna zato, ker njuni državi nista vpleteni
BBC & CNN sta ravno toliko če ne še bolj propagandno trobilo, ki bolj služi politiki kot pa ljudstvu in se posledično na njiju enako kot na RT bolj kot ne poščijem. (podvprašanje - kdo je izumil in v nulo izpilil medijsko manipulacijo ljudi? Zihr Rusija a ne, v ZDA in EU so pa sami pravi neodvisni mediji a ne?)
Darjan, zate prav zares že ne vem več ali to podjebavaš ali dejansko tako razmišljaš kot pišeš. Od kje ti ideje kot "Rusija je obljubljena dežela" in podobno. In ja, naš svet JE pokvarjen, prav tako je pokvarjen tudi kakšen drug. To pa zato, ker v vseh teh svetovih deluje človek, ki zna biti zavoljo lastne moči, vpliva in bogastvaše prekleto pokvarjen in to ne glede na to, ali izjaha iz superiornih ZDA, vritolezočih EU držav ali pa iz silne Rusije, ki v bistvu bojda nima za burek.
Alter, vsaka ti čast
In LOL, RT je ruski medij, ki je vpletena v krizo, BBC&CNN sta pa bolj objektivna zato, ker njuni državi nista vpleteni
BBC & CNN sta ravno toliko če ne še bolj propagandno trobilo, ki bolj služi politiki kot pa ljudstvu in se posledično na njiju enako kot na RT bolj kot ne poščijem. (podvprašanje - kdo je izumil in v nulo izpilil medijsko manipulacijo ljudi? Zihr Rusija a ne, v ZDA in EU so pa sami pravi neodvisni mediji a ne?)
Darjan, zate prav zares že ne vem več ali to podjebavaš ali dejansko tako razmišljaš kot pišeš. Od kje ti ideje kot "Rusija je obljubljena dežela" in podobno. In ja, naš svet JE pokvarjen, prav tako je pokvarjen tudi kakšen drug. To pa zato, ker v vseh teh svetovih deluje človek, ki zna biti zavoljo lastne moči, vpliva in bogastvaše prekleto pokvarjen in to ne glede na to, ali izjaha iz superiornih ZDA, vritolezočih EU držav ali pa iz silne Rusije, ki v bistvu bojda nima za burek.
Alter, vsaka ti čast
Dejte bit naivni. Ostrostrelce imata obe strani.
Snajperji so praksa vseh drzavnih udarov organiziranih s strani CIA, kjer USA pleni. Taktika pa je streljanje obeh strani in tako ustvarjat vsesplosni kaos.
Nima smisla tle pinkponk spilat, kdo laze in kdo ne. Vprasanje tle ni kdo vec laze in kdo ima bolj prav, keč je v tem da ima vsaka medalja dve plati in pateticno bi bilo imet samo eno odkrito...
Snajperji so praksa vseh drzavnih udarov organiziranih s strani CIA, kjer USA pleni. Taktika pa je streljanje obeh strani in tako ustvarjat vsesplosni kaos.
Nima smisla tle pinkponk spilat, kdo laze in kdo ne. Vprasanje tle ni kdo vec laze in kdo ima bolj prav, keč je v tem da ima vsaka medalja dve plati in pateticno bi bilo imet samo eno odkrito...
TIME:Russians Re-write History to Slur Ukraine Over War
Pripeljat množico dijakov, da glasujejo o končni resoluciji konference o nacizmu, classy.
tituški.press
Pripeljat množico dijakov, da glasujejo o končni resoluciji konference o nacizmu, classy.
tituški.press
V drugih novicah:
Ruski marš je vendarle dobil dovoljenje v predmestju Moskve. V torek lahko pričakujete, da bom spamal s svežimi fotografijami ruskih nacijev.
Po 99.67% preštetih glasovnic je Svoboda zagotovo izven rade, so pod pragom 5% (4.71%). Na teh parlamentarnih volitvah vanj ni vstopila NITI ENA skrajno desna stranka.
http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vnd2014/wp300ept001f01=910.html
Vseeno bodo v radi štirje skrajni desničarji (od 450 predstavnikov), ki so bili izvoljeni neposredno.
Dmytro Radosh, vodja desnega sektorja, je bil izvoljen v Dnipropetrovsku, na vzhodu Ukrajine.
En predstavnik Svobode je bil izvoljen v Poltavi (prav tako vzhod) in dva v Kijevu.
http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vnd2014/wp039ept001f01=910.html
V radi bo tako celih 0.889% skrajnih desničarjev.
Kdo je naci?
Ruski marš je vendarle dobil dovoljenje v predmestju Moskve. V torek lahko pričakujete, da bom spamal s svežimi fotografijami ruskih nacijev.
Po 99.67% preštetih glasovnic je Svoboda zagotovo izven rade, so pod pragom 5% (4.71%). Na teh parlamentarnih volitvah vanj ni vstopila NITI ENA skrajno desna stranka.
http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vnd2014/wp300ept001f01=910.html
Vseeno bodo v radi štirje skrajni desničarji (od 450 predstavnikov), ki so bili izvoljeni neposredno.
Dmytro Radosh, vodja desnega sektorja, je bil izvoljen v Dnipropetrovsku, na vzhodu Ukrajine.
En predstavnik Svobode je bil izvoljen v Poltavi (prav tako vzhod) in dva v Kijevu.
http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vnd2014/wp039ept001f01=910.html
V radi bo tako celih 0.889% skrajnih desničarjev.
Kdo je naci?
Vili dveh plinskih oligarhov iz državnega podjetja:
Revealed: The Palaces Of Ukraine's Energy Oligarchs
V videu nastopi tudi generalni tožilec Yarema, ki je bil razen dveh let na železnici, ves čas zaposlen v policiji ali pravosodju.
To je njegov dom:
Gnoj povsod. Kdor je pozabil - Ukrajina ima BDP/prebivalca na nivoju Kosova. Približevanje EU jim obljublja, da se bo tovrstna korupcija morala končat in bodo končno lahko normalno zaživeli.
Revealed: The Palaces Of Ukraine's Energy Oligarchs
V videu nastopi tudi generalni tožilec Yarema, ki je bil razen dveh let na železnici, ves čas zaposlen v policiji ali pravosodju.
To je njegov dom:
Gnoj povsod. Kdor je pozabil - Ukrajina ima BDP/prebivalca na nivoju Kosova. Približevanje EU jim obljublja, da se bo tovrstna korupcija morala končat in bodo končno lahko normalno zaživeli.
Nisi rwzumel poante. Zahodni mediji so najprej zatrjevali, da je bilo to rusko letalo, potem pa so se popravili in rekli, da je bilo v rusiji izdelano letalo. V bistvu pa je bilo latvijsko letalo, bil pa je Antonov, ki je ukrajinske izdelave.
Razumes zdaj, kako vse pripisejo rusom, tudi nevidno podmornico, ce je treba.
