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Explained: Why Max Verstappen wasn't penalised in dramatic Lando Norris battle
Max Verstappen and Lando Norris both went off track during their late-race squabble, but only the McLaren driver was penalised.
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Problem so ti "tajni" Driving Standards Guidelines (no ja, od 1.1.2025 bodo del ISC, ki pa je javno objavljen). Ker niso javno objavljeni (le zakaj ne?) in predvsem, ker so katastrofalno zanič napisani.
Recimo za avto, ki prehiteva po zunanji strani:
V točki 3 bi moralo pisat "Be able to make the corner while leaving enough room for the other car on the inside within track limits"
Ali pa prehitevnaje po notranji strani:
A car overtaking on the inside must:
V točki 3 je beseda delibaratly odveč. Ne sme je biti. Tisti, ki prehitava, je odgovoren, če tekmeca rine ven, pa če je to žele ali pa mu le ni zneslo.
V točki 4 bi moralo pisat "Be able to make the corner while leaving enough room for the other car on the outside within track limits"
Plus, sodniki naj bi pri presojanju upoštevali:
Tole ni glih rocket science, razen za butlje pri FIA.
Recimo za avto, ki prehiteva po zunanji strani:
- Have the front axle AT LEAST ALONGSIDE WITH the front axle of the other car at the apex of the corner and to the exit.
- Be driven in a safe and controlled manner throughout the manoeuvre (entry, apex and exit).
- Be able to make the corner within the track limits
V točki 3 bi moralo pisat "Be able to make the corner while leaving enough room for the other car on the inside within track limits"
Ali pa prehitevnaje po notranji strani:
A car overtaking on the inside must:
- Have its front axle AT LEAST ALONGSIDE of the mirror of the other car no later than the apex of the corner.
- Be driven in a safe and controlled manner throughout the manoeuvre (entry, apex and exit).
- Without (deliberately) forcing the other car off the track at the exit. This includes leaving a fair and acceptable width for the car being overtaken from the apex to the exit of the corner.
- Be able to make the corner within the track limits.
V točki 3 je beseda delibaratly odveč. Ne sme je biti. Tisti, ki prehitava, je odgovoren, če tekmeca rine ven, pa če je to žele ali pa mu le ni zneslo.
V točki 4 bi moralo pisat "Be able to make the corner while leaving enough room for the other car on the outside within track limits"
Plus, sodniki naj bi pri presojanju upoštevali:
- How did the cars get to the incident? (E.g. late braking, diving in, moving under braking.)
- Was the manoeuvre late or “optimistic”?
- What could the drivers reasonably see, know, or anticipate?
- Do we believe the manoeuvre could be completed on the track?
- Was there understeer / oversteer / locking?
- Did someone position / handle their car in a way that contributed to the incident?
- Did the type of corner contribute to the incident? (e.g. camber, kerbs, curve, apexes)
- What were the relative tyres / tyre age / grip?
Tole ni glih rocket science, razen za butlje pri FIA.
Oba bi morala dobiti +5sec kazen, tako bi bilo najbol pošteno.
Hm, koliko jaz razumem, lahko da se motim, je izlet iz steze obeh bil pač v čaru borbe, noben ni nikogar izrival ali blokiral, ker sta oba prepozno zavirala - takih zadev se ne more v pravila zapret, ker so preveč odvisna od situacije, zato so tudi komirasji na dirkah bivši dirkači ki bolj vedo kako dejansko to "doživljajo" dirkači ko dirkajo na nož.
Problem je bil, da je zaradi tega nor pridobil mesto, in zato je dobil kazen. lepo bi ga vrnil nazaj in potem še enkrat maxa prehitel, čisto, pa bi bilo vse ok.
Problem je bil, da je zaradi tega nor pridobil mesto, in zato je dobil kazen. lepo bi ga vrnil nazaj in potem še enkrat maxa prehitel, čisto, pa bi bilo vse ok.
Kje bi naj izrival? Na začetku dirke, ali tam norrisa?
1. če začetek dirke, takrat se velikokrat "pogleda" skozi prste, ker je pač race start in gledajo komisarji bolj ohlapno na pravila
2. tam ga ni izrival, ker je norr tudi falil ovinek, če ne bi bilo tako, bi norr enostavno pustil, da maxa odnese ven, on pa bi po maxovi levi šel mimo po stezi
1. če začetek dirke, takrat se velikokrat "pogleda" skozi prste, ker je pač race start in gledajo komisarji bolj ohlapno na pravila
2. tam ga ni izrival, ker je norr tudi falil ovinek, če ne bi bilo tako, bi norr enostavno pustil, da maxa odnese ven, on pa bi po maxovi levi šel mimo po stezi
Lando Norris: McLaren driver 'lost the right to the corner' in Max Verstappen pass say US GP stewards but are rules clear?
Fresh focus was placed on F1s racing rules amid a series of controversies in Austin; watch next instalment in the title run-in at the Mexico City GP this weekend live on Sky Sports F1, with Sundays race at 8pm
'Max pushed the boundaries, but currently, he is allowed to'
Former F1 driver Karun Chandhok believes that the current rules that are used by the FIA for drivers who are battling on track should be changed. It comes after another battle between Max Verstappen and Lando Norris caused controversy, with questions now being asked if the regulations used by...
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Chandhok continued on by saying, "If there was gravel or a wall along the outside of the kerb, then Lando wouldn’t have tried to hang on for so long out there. Fundamentally, he overtook another car while off-track and should have given the place back straight away," agreeing with the FIA that Norris' punishment was correct regarding the current regulations.
Hja.
V guidelinesih jasno piše, da če med branjenjem zapelješ ven in ostaneš spredaj, se šteje, da si s tem dobil prednost. In ko bi torej NOR vrnil mesto VER, bi ga ta moral vrnit nazaj. In se lahko ustavite in v luft gledata, ker tisti, ki bi ostal spredaj bi bil kaznovan.
Ker so pač (kot sem že napisal) butlji pisali pravila ...
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telemetrija je pokazala, da je (sicer ne razumem čisto, ampak, sej, poanta je jasna) Max ali 30m kasneje spustil plin/začel zavirati ... verjetno s ciljem, da je pred Norrisom na apexu. Max ni tumpast. Max je pameten. pozna pravila v nulo in jih izigrava ... 
Norris se pa lomi na njegovih vragolijah.
dejstvo je, da Norris bi moral samo nazaj za Maxa (niti ga ne prehitet in dat mesto nazaj, ampak), enostavno pustit Max predse, pa bi Max dobil kazen (kot npr. Russell in mislim da Tsunoda). Gasly je dobil kazen isto, kot jo je Norris. kar je, če gledamo pravila - pravilna odločitev. dejansko bi moral Norris dobiti 10+ kazen, a ravno zaradi dejanja Maxa, je dobil le 5+, tako da v bistvu je Max tudi dobil, samo Norris je edini fasal kazen oz. imel srečo v nesreči, ker če bi dobil 10+ kazen, bi padel za Piastrija, se pravi še kaka pika manj ...
se pa strinjam z Lukijem tu - pravila so tista, ki so blesavo napisana. Max pa jih zna na pamet (in jih tudi zna obrniti tako, da njemu voda teče na mlin).
Norris se pa lomi na njegovih vragolijah.dejstvo je, da Norris bi moral samo nazaj za Maxa (niti ga ne prehitet in dat mesto nazaj, ampak), enostavno pustit Max predse, pa bi Max dobil kazen (kot npr. Russell in mislim da Tsunoda). Gasly je dobil kazen isto, kot jo je Norris. kar je, če gledamo pravila - pravilna odločitev. dejansko bi moral Norris dobiti 10+ kazen, a ravno zaradi dejanja Maxa, je dobil le 5+, tako da v bistvu je Max tudi dobil, samo Norris je edini fasal kazen oz. imel srečo v nesreči, ker če bi dobil 10+ kazen, bi padel za Piastrija, se pravi še kaka pika manj ...
se pa strinjam z Lukijem tu - pravila so tista, ki so blesavo napisana. Max pa jih zna na pamet (in jih tudi zna obrniti tako, da njemu voda teče na mlin).
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