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Kaj naj recem, razumem, pa se ne strinjam.

Kako v vecini pomeni imunost, ce pa ima <50% ucinkovitost na trenutne seve? Razen, ce so se podatki ze spremenili.

so se spremenili, ampak ok greva po tvoje, če bi bil folk po svetu precepljen, ali bi vseeno prišlo do novih sevov? Vidiš tukaj je zanka, ki se je andy in podobni novodobni Nikole Tesle ne zavedajo, pa če se vrnemo malo nazaj, vsi omenjajo smrtonosne viruse izpre 100 let in več ki so kosili po zemlji, tudi ta bi kosil če ne bi medicina napredovala kot je,ampak ok to je itak zanemarljiv podatek v vsej tej zgodbi
 

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Kaj naj recem, tako izgleda. Kar tako na zalogo se cepiti se mi pa ne zdi v tem primeru smiselno.

ko na zalogo vzameš lekadol ali pa amoksiklav ali kaj tretjega pa greš spat brez preganjavice, zanimivo kaj ne,ampak slednja sta bila razvita dokončno v 1970ih tole cepivo sedaj pa je popolnoma "čas" povozil saj je razvito bilo zgolj v 8ih mesecih in letu 2020m aspirin je pa ja le"100" let star in preverjen
 

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Sej veš da si bleknil blesarijo? Cepiš se v vsakem primeru na zalogo, ker je cepljenje preventiva. No vsaj jasno je, kakšen mastermind je za posti.....
 
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In to mass cepljenje je za množično zaščito posameznika in prebivalstva.
Zanimivo. V novem zakonu je odgovornodt države do posledic cepljenje.
Nikjer ni izvajana odgovornost, če se ne cepiš.


Citat: V Sloveniji je precepljenost padla pod priporočenih 95 odstotkov, zato obstaja bojazen pred izbruhom ošpic, kar se je že zgodilo v sosednji Italiji.
(kje je tistih 80% pri covidu!)
Citat: Če je v primeru prekrška iz 14. točke prvega odstavka tega člena, za katerega se kaznuje posameznik, ki organizira zbiranje ljudi v nasprotju s predpisom, s katerim je določen ukrep prepovedi oziroma omejevanja zbiranja ljudi na javnem kraju na podlagi 3. točke prvega odstavka 39. člena tega zakona, narava prekrška posebno huda zaradi povzročitve nevarnosti za zdravje večjega števila ljudi v času, ko je zbiranje ljudi prepovedano zaradi nevarnosti širjenja nalezljive bolezni, se posameznik kaznuje z globo od 1.200 do 12.000 eurov.

Sodna praksa, ki je drugačna od zdrave pameti
 
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ales85

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Covid cepljenje ni obvezno, kaj bi preganjal?

Ker je ta čas večina glupa. Raje tvegajo in so zaprti. Rrs premišljeno. Nekoč so bila nosna posilstva problem. Zdaj noske sami nastavljate, ker rama bolj buba. Wtf?
Slabo beres, jaz sem cepljen. Vecina glupa? Morda, ni dokazano :D Ampak zakaj bi pa manjsina vsiljevala vecini?
In ne, ne zelijo biti zaprti. Samo taksna je pac trenutna situacija. V Avstriji se odpira, kmalu se bo morda se pri nas.
 
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Ytbnd

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Se še spomnite tistega vladnega semaforja, ko je bilo receno “v zeleni fazi odprava vseh ukrepov, ostane higiena rok”? Kam smo prišli od takrat, PCT za skoraj vse storitve, za delo, za potovanje, agresivna cepilna kampanja, za las smo se izognili ZNB-D…
 

CLIO15

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Covid cepljenje ni obvezno, kaj bi preganjal?


Slabo beres, jaz sem cepljen. Vecina glupa? Morda, ni dokazano :D Ampak zakaj bi pa manjsina vsiljevala vecini?
In ne, ne zelijo biti zaprti. Samo taksna je pac trenutna situacija. V Avstriji se odpira, kmalu se bo morda se pri nas.
V Avstrije te kelner aretira za PCT pogoje na terasi !!!
Ne ti meni kak so tam oh pa ah .
Sprobano včeraj na lastni koži v Lipnici.
 

sandra

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Se še spomnite tistega vladnega semaforja, ko je bilo receno “v zeleni fazi odprava vseh ukrepov, ostane higiena rok”? Kam smo prišli od takrat, PCT za skoraj vse storitve, za delo, za potovanje, agresivna cepilna kampanja, za las smo se izognili ZNB-D…
A na šihtu ni še nobeden dobil ali cepit ali pa sam plačevat testiranje ?
Upam da bo tole v največem prejemniku covid dodatka-JU.
 

Ytbnd

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Cloth face masks are 'comfort blankets' that do little to curb Covid spread, Sage adviser warns
Dr Colin Axon warned some cloth masks have gaps that are invisible to the naked eye, but are 500,000 times the size of viral Covid particles

Standard face coverings are just "comfort blankets" that do little to reduce the spread of Covid particles, a scientist advising Sage on ventilation has said.

Dr Colin Axon, who has advised the government on minimising the risk of cross-infection in supermarkets, accused medics of presenting a "cartoonish" view of how how tiny particles travel through the air.

He warned some cloth masks have gaps which are invisible to the naked eye, but are 500,000 times the size of viral Covid particles.

"The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders' scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through," he told The Telegraph.

The mask debate has been reignited this week after the Government published 'Freedom Day' guidance recommending their continued use. It led to Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, enforcing their continued use on the London Underground.

Dr Axon said the public need to be offered a wider view of the science behind face masks, rather than the "partial view" of information being pushed by medics over their effectiveness.

'Medics have a cartoonish view of how the world is'
"Medics have this cartoonised view of how particles move through the air - it's not their fault, it's not their domain - they've got a cartoonish view of how the world is," he said.

"Once a particle is not on a biological surface it is no longer a biomedical issue, it is simply about physics. The public has only a partial view of the story if information only comes from one type of source. Medics have some of the answers but not a whole view."

Dr Axon, Brunel University's senior lecturer in engineering, said that the true mechanisms involved are best evaluated through science.

"When the particle enters another body it returns to a biomedical issue but the mask debate is about the particle journey," he said.

"Masks can catch droplets and sputum from a cough but what is important is that SARS CoV-2 is predominantly distributed by tiny aerosols."

Dr Axon said that medics were "unable to comprehend" the miniscule elements at play, adding: "A Covid viral particle is around 100 nanometres, material gaps in blue surgical masks are up to 1,000 times that size, cloth mask gaps can be 500,000 times the size."

Dr Axon, whose report on ventilation in supermarkets was used by both Nervtag and Sage to aid decisions, says that medics "cannot have it both ways" over asymptomatic spread.

He added: "Not everyone carrying Covid is coughing, but they are still breathing, those aerosols escape masks and will render the mask ineffective."

Droplets from coughs are much larger, and more likely to be stopped by a properly used mask, Dr Axon says. An Oxford study last summer concluded that masks were "effective" in reducing the spread of the virus.

'We are entrenching bad behaviour'
However, other studies have cast doubt on their effectiveness. A subsequent Danish study involving 6,000 people concluded that there was no statistical difference in infection spread in non-wearers, while data on US states with non-mandated usage failed to show a correlated uptick in cases.

"The public were demanding something must be done, they got masks, it is just a comfort blanket," Dr Axon noted. "But now it is entrenched, and we are entrenching bad behaviour.

"All around the world you can look at mask mandates and superimpose on infection rates, you cannot see that mask mandates made any effect whatsoever.

"The best thing you can say about any mask is that any positive effect they do have is too small to be measured."
 
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