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jest5

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No, ozadje le ni tako preprosto.

Tale ukro twittek je le poizkus za vzbujanje pozornosti.


Guayana Esequiba (Spanish pronunciation: [ɡwaˈʝana eseˈkiβa] ), sometimes also called Esequibo is a disputed territory of 159,500 km2 (61,600 sq mi) west of the Essequibo River that is administered and controlled by Guyana but claimed by Venezuela.[1][2] The boundary dispute was inherited from the colonial powers (Spain in the case of Venezuela, and the Netherlands and the United Kingdom in the case of Guyana) and has been complicated by the independence of Guyana from the United Kingdom in 1966. The dispute is closely connected to the territorial waters dispute, with Venezuela claiming almost all territorial waters of Guyana, including all processed and potential oilfields.

In 1840, the British government commissioned German-born explorer and naturalist Robert Hermann Schomburgk to survey British Guiana's boundaries. This survey resulted in what came to be known as the "Schomburgk Line", which went well beyond the area of British occupation and gave British Guiana control of the mouth of the Orinoco River. These borders were disputed by Venezuela, and tensions worsened after the discovery of gold mines in the region in 1876, culminating with Venezuela severing diplomatic relations with the United Kingdom in 1887. The United Kingdom and Venezuela went into arbitration with mediation from the United States, which resulted in the Paris Arbitral Award in 1899, ruled largely in favour of Britain. In 1949, a memorandum written by Severo Mallet-Prevost, official secretary of the US–Venezuela delegation in the arbitration, and published postumously stated that the Arbitral Award resulted from the pressure by the Tribunal President Friedrich Martens and a political deal between Russia and Britain. Said memorandum led to complaints by Venezuela in the United Nations in 1962, which resulted in the Geneva Agreement, signed with the United Kingdom in 1966.

The status of the territory is subject to the Geneva Agreement, which was signed by the United Kingdom, Venezuela and British Guiana on 17 February 1966. This treaty stipulates that the parties will agree to find a practical, peaceful and satisfactory solution to the dispute.[3] Should there be a stalemate, according to the treaty, the decision as to the means of settlement is to be referred to an "appropriate international organ" or, failing agreement on this point, to the Secretary-General of the United Nations.[3] The Secretary-General referred the entire matter to the International Court of Justice. On 18 December 2020, the ICJ accepted the case submitted by Guyana to settle the dispute.[4]

Currently, Venezuela claims all of the land west of the Essequibo river, which it refers to as Zona en Reclamación or Zone in Reclamation.[citation needed] Historically, this did not include the tributaries of the Amazon river and the Pirara area which were only ceded to British Guiana in 1904 during arbitration with Brazil. The Northwestern border of Guayana Esequiba follows the 1905 border as established by the British-Venezuelan Mixed Boundry Commission, in accordance with the Arbitral Award of 3 October 1899. Venezuela currently seeks to abrogate the legal borders and currently agrees only to the Essequibo river boundary.

The territory is divided by Guyana into six administrative regions: Barima-Waini, Cuyuni-Mazaruni, Pomeroon-Supenaam, Potaro-Siparuni, Upper Takutu-Upper Essequibo and Essequibo Islands-West Demerara. Venezuela often depicts it on the map as a striped region.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba

V glavnem ostanek enega od mnogih zajebov kolonialistov.
 
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msenjur

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spet naši kolonisti zraven. karkoli so pustili za sabo je bil vse skupaj en kaos. pa taka napredna civilizacija.

sploh ne razumem, kaj je bila fora tega referenduma? da domač folk sprašuješ, ali je neko ozemlje njihovo ali ne? al to med vrsticami sprašujejo ali se jim ljubi iti v vojno?


kot že velikokrat do sedaj, če se gremo tako, da gledamo, kaj nekomu pripada, pač določimo nek datum v zgodovini in se sklicujemo na ta datum. Tako pač ne gre.
 

damirj

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V tem primeru je vedno ena stran na slabšem. Rešitev je konsenz po mirni poti, delitev 50:50 ali pa nek zunanji arbiter in ne vojna. Ampak nekaterim je bolj všeč vojna...
 

mirsi

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Kaj ti ni jasno.
Rusija in Ukrajina sta v vojni.
To da Rusija ni v vojni je Ruska interna fora
Zmenita se že enkrat z Damirj-jem.
On pa trdi, da rusija ni v vojni, in da tudi "begunci" iz Rusije ne morejo bit begunci, ker rusija ni v vojni.
In trdi tudi, da mobilizacij ne smejo imeti, ker niso v vojni.
Lahko pa ukrajinci napadajo civilne cilje na ruskem daljnem vzhodu, (rudi belgorod, moskva, rostov, most... so obstreljevali) ker ukrajinci so pa v vojni, čeprav niso razglasili vojne z rusijo, ampak so samo razglasili vojno stanje v UA.
Zdej pa razumi, če moreš.
 

Gavran

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Nuku`Alofa
Evo, Rusi bi pomagali prijateljskim državama da ustanovita Austro-Ogrsko in da podredita še bivše državeYuge
in oni bi dli tja kontingent, zato da jih drugi ne bi napadli, mogoče so pozabili povedat, da bi jih sicer oni napadli...



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Čakamo da se še Rusofili javijo za žandarje...

Imajo omenjene države zelo lepe izkušnje z ruSSko "zaščito", od Prage do Budimpešte. In rvno te izkušnje so razlog, da se je vsem, razen Avstriji zelo mudilo vstopiti v NATO ob prvi možni priložnosti. Seveda pa bi ruSS zelo rad delal po svoje, seveda proti volji omenjenih držav.
 
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A bomo sedaj za Ukrajino zbirali zamaške, namesto da jih zbiramo za naše male bolnike?

Saj je jasno, da imajo ukrajinci prednost pred našimi otroci.
 

mirsi

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Imajo omenjene države zelo lepe izkušnje z ruSSko "zaščito", od Prage do Budimpešte. In rvno te izkušnje so razlog, da se je vsem, razen Avstriji zelo mudilo vstopiti v NATO ob prvi možni priložnosti. Seveda pa bi ruSS zelo rad delal po svoje, seveda proti volji omenjenih držav.
A to misliš na tiste izkušnje, ko je ukrajinec Hruščov iz ukrajine prišel na obisk v Budimpešto, ukrajinec Brežnjev pa tudi iz Ukrajine prišel na obisk v Prago?
Khmm, mogoče so pa res ravno zato Madžari, Slovaki, Poljaki in Čehi najmanj izmed članic EU naklonjeni pošiljanju pomoči Ukrajini ???
 
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damirj

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Zmenita se že enkrat z Damirj-jem.
On pa trdi, da rusija ni v vojni, in da tudi "begunci" iz Rusije ne morejo bit begunci, ker rusija ni v vojni.
In trdi tudi, da mobilizacij ne smejo imeti, ker niso v vojni.
Lahko pa ukrajinci napadajo civilne cilje na ruskem daljnem vzhodu, (rudi belgorod, moskva, rostov, most... so obstreljevali) ker ukrajinci so pa v vojni, čeprav niso razglasili vojne z rusijo, ampak so samo razglasili vojno stanje v UA.
Zdej pa razumi, če moreš.
Saj je napisal prav, ampak ti spet nič ne razumeš napisanega...
 

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damirj

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Je*emti pa sankcije.
Lahko bi obogateli samo z izvozom krompirja v Rusijo.

Tako pa kmet s ceno krompirja niti stroške povišane cene nafte ne pokrije. K sreči dobi nekaj subvencij iz EU, da lahko preživi - zato se že mudi, da še ukrajince prednostno sprejmemo v EU, da bdo še oni potegnili EU subvencije, mi pa postali neto vplačnik v EU. :evil:

Mogoče pa ni slaba ideja, recimo iz SLO bi v ru dali za vsakega padlega ruskega vojaka eno vrečo krompirja. To bi zneslo kake 10000t (+-1000t) ne vem če bi s tem rešili kmetijstvo in pridelavo krompirja pri nas, teh 10000t krompirja je slabe 20% letne pridelave krompirja v SLO. Mogoče pa, kdo ve.. mirsi biznis zate :D
 

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O naši rusofilski mediji, kolkrat je že denarja letos zmanjkalo? :valjamse:



Kako mora denar krožiti po lastni vojaški industriji...;)

Here is the best-kept secret about U.S. military aid to Ukraine: Most of the money is being spent here in the United States. That’s right: Funds that lawmakers approve to arm Ukraine are not going directly to Ukraine but being used stateside to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles. Of the $68 billion in military and related assistance Congress has approved since Russia invaded Ukraine, almost 90 percent is going to American.


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Potem si pa še izračunaš, koliko $$$ gre iz ZDA do UA in koliko naročil je dobila ZDA. Nazadnje je bilo razmerje 1:18, kar je OGROMNO.....

Je tudi The Guardian rusofilski medij?