Siemens okoli prinesel Pipistrel-a

dune

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Nekak imam občutek, da so slišali za airbusovo PR akcijo, pa so jih hotl zajebat. Potem se jim pa ni vse izšlo.
 

Zmago1

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Pipistrel je zmagal na GFC, kjer je bil pogoj biti 200 milj v luftu ..

no če to drži potem je itaq meja 200 km že dosežena in ni več noben kunšt podirat rekorda 80 km,....
 

TGV

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Glej , moč je nepomembna. Vendar 60 Kw motor ni testni, 80 kw pa je ..

Moj point je da bo e-fan uporabil drug motor in da je Pipistrel že pred leti imel letalo sposobno preleta čez kanal in ni potreboval testnega.

In pa da je premalo konkretnih dejstev v celotni zgodbi. Vsi samo polovična dejstva navajajo.

Kaj porečeš na to ?

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/...erhinderte.html

"As far as we know had Pipistrel not the appropriate authorizations for the flight," said a spokesman for Airbus Group.
The head of the Slovenian aircraft manufacturer claims against it in his statement that the French authorities have given the green light last week.

The aviation authority DGAC denied. "No agency of the DGAC was contacted in connection with this project,"

edit: @dune : se strinjam
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gloglo

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Koker jest vem to dela že solarno letalo -Solar Impulse-2.

Tko, da Pipi se bo moral naučiti, če dobi nek izdelek na test, da z njim brez privoljenja lastnika ne sme show off delat...
Kako pa bi PIPI skakal če bi Airbus vzel na test njegov izdelek ga prelepil z svojo znamko in delal show off....

Pipi bo vedno garažna firma, njemu naj ostane primarna dejavnost izogib plačilu davka v Sloveniji....
 

AndY1

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Novica je že postala mednarodna.

Airbus called out ahead of E-Fan flight across English Channel

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Pipistrel, a small, but scrappy light airplane manufacturer from Slovenia with its own battery-powered bona fides had plans, via its French distributor, for a Channel crossing on the now-past 7th of July. After eight months of preparations, its two-seat Alpha Electro trainer was scheduled to not only fly from France to England, but also make the return flight on a single charge. After what some believe was some behind-the-scenes shenanigans, though, it was scrubbed.
 

AndY1

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Še uradna izjava Pipistrela: http://www.pipistrel.si/news/electric-crosschannel-flight-official-statement

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Official statement of Ivo Boscarol, Pipistrel general manager, regarding the planned attempt of the Pipistrel French distributor Finesse Max, to fly electric across the English Channel:


"Flying across the English Channel is probably the last challenge left to conquer in the field of flying with electric aircraft. Electric aircraft are at the moment approximately equally efficient as the petrol-engine aircraft were 106 years ago when Louis Bleriot first crossed the Channel by aircraft. So despite all the achievements of other electric aircraft such as Solar Impulse, the flight over the Channel is still a worthy achievement.

Pipistrel has been preparing for this feat since last October, especially when it came to obtaining authorizations to fly an electric aircraft in France and in England. The French authorities finally issued the permit last week, so our French distributor seized the opportunity and immediately prepared all the logistics to carry out the flight, which was meant to happen on the morning of 7. July at 10 am.

On Sunday 5. July in the afternoon we received by mail a letter signed by Dr. Frank Anton, head of e-Aircraft at Siemens, and by Mr. Tim Grage, Commercial Head of e-Aircraft, saying:
"Our Motor in its current version is neither designed, nor tested, nor approved by us for a flight above water - we explicitly prohibit you to use or let anyone else use our Motor for any flight above water."
The letter went on to say:
"In the event you do not inform us immediately about the location of the Motor and hand it back to us, we will take any further necessary legal steps to stop any planned flight."

We deeply regret the action of Siemens which prevented the flight - especially because on the other hand, it would be Siemens that would have enabled the flight, being that our aircraft used a Siemens electric motor. This is why we find this decision even more bizarre and incomprehensible. Siemens never forbade Pipistrel to fly over the water with their motor in any document or engine rental contract, so Pipistrel never broke any contract with Siemens. We are known as a company which respects the agreements and we will certainly continue to do so in the future.
As requested in the letter we immediately stopped the flights in France and put the aircraft back in the trailer. On the same day the head of the local Siemens factory in Haguenau came to verify if we really did so and can confirm it.
The aircraft was returned to the Pipistrel HQ facility today, Wednesday 8. July. In the next days the engine will be dismounted as requested and put on Siemens' disposal.

Pipistrel aircraft Alpha Electro has twice the range of the competitor E-fan and one third of its announced price. The biggest advantage is probably the availability: it is already possible to order and very shortly receive the Alpha Electro - but maybe not with a Siemens motor anymore.

On this occasion let me point out that it was Pipistrel that offered the first fully electric two-seat aircraft in the market, the first electric two-seat training aircraft and the first (and still the only) fully electric four seat aircraft in the world. These three aircraft belong in the elite group of less than 10 electric aircraft that are at the moment capable of flying over the Channel. Therefore we considered it logical and as our mission to perform this flight. Unfortunately it was once again the interest of the capital that prevailed, and we lost the competition on the account of fair play - we could of course still perform the flight in the next three days, but we respect Siemens and their demand not to fly over the water with their motor.

Pipistrel would like to congratulate in advance to our competitor Airbus and their pilot Mr. Francis Deborde for this new milestone in electric flight."

Ivo Boscarol,
Pipistrel general manager
 

aladdin

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Ko je francoski pilot Hugues Duval izvedel, da je naveza Airbus-Siemens slovenskemu proizvajalcu električnih letal Pipistrel prepovedala poskus prvega preleta Rokavskega preliva z električnim plovilom, se je podviga lotil sam.

Z letalom Cri-Cri E-Cristaline je v četrtek zvečer kot prvi v zgodovini uspešno preletel kanal in s tem za nekaj ur prehitel Airbusov poskus ter tako letalskemu velikanu tik pred nosom izmaknil prestižno krono.
http://www.delo.si/prosti-cas/...ski-preliv.html
 

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Ko je francoski pilot Hugues Duval izvedel, da je naveza Airbus-Siemens slovenskemu proizvajalcu električnih letal Pipistrel prepovedala poskus prvega preleta Rokavskega preliva z električnim plovilom, se je podviga lotil sam.

Z letalom Cri-Cri E-Cristaline je v četrtek zvečer kot prvi v zgodovini uspešno preletel kanal in s tem za nekaj ur prehitel Airbusov poskus ter tako letalskemu velikanu tik pred nosom izmaknil prestižno krono.
http://www.delo.si/prosti-cas/...ski-preliv.html

Hvala za link! Ključno je tole:

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Duvalu s stalnim dovoljenjem za letenje ni bilo treba zaprositi za posebno dovolilnico, temveč je zadostovala preprosta napoved poleta. S tem je lahko do zadnjega skrival svoj namen, toda nemudoma po napovedi mu kontrola letenja ni dovolila preleta, a pilot opozorila ni upošteval. V četrtek zvečer je uspešno prečil Rokavski preliv in izpolnil enega zadnjih manjkajočih rekordov v svetu letalstva.

Gnide od Airbus-a!
 

Pepe

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Torej je airbus-u ostane možnost za rekord v prvi dovoljeni vožnji čez Rokavski preliv
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Odisej

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Lahko francozu, da se požvižga na prepoved, ko je že na obali. Če bi hotel buscaroli do tja prit, ni dvakrat za rečt, da ga ne bi siemens že nad nemčijo "pomotoma" sestrelil
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sajkek

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Točno to, Airbus in siemns sta imela svoje nlčre, ampak so imho takratko potegnil ker ostaja priokus, splohpa jih je še en drug nategno.
 

TGV

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Jaz sem ves čas upal da bo nekdo rekel "screw you guys i am flying "
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Še formalnosti oz tehnikalije : (@andy) : cri-cri je registrirano letalo in kot seveda lahko leti brez posebnega dovoljenja. vendar za mednarodne polete veljajo posebni pogoji : letalo mora imeti certifikat v obeh državah katerih zračni prostor bo uporabljajo, poleg tega ultralahki praviloma ne smejo uporabljati zračni prostor, kjer potekajo komercialni poleti. Kontrolorju je verjetno "zapiskalo" že ko je slišal oznako letala , tako da lahko odmislimo Airbusovo dolgo roko ..
 

Utisevalec

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KSZ, leta 2015 mislim da rokavski zaliv lahko preleti tudi kamen brez lastnega pogona tako da neko šopirjenje vseh vključenih nima nekega pomena. Oz. s tem samo degradirajo lastne dosežke, ker prelet rokavskega preliva razen simbolike ni baš nekaj kar bi bilo tehnično zahtevno. Ne vem koliko imajo pipistrelova letala jadralnih sposobnosti, ampak domnevam da BP prejadrajo tole razdaljo brez da bi sploh uporabili motor za kaj drugega kot dvig na višino.

BTW, francoz je preletel zadevo v "letalu" ki je po velikosti enako malce večjemu modelarskemu modelu:
 

TGV

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Saj gre res za slabo igranje v PR-komediji.

Potrebna tehnika za takšen polet obstaja že kar nekaje časa.
Pa da bo zadeva bolj jasna : Airbus e-fan je želel biti prvi, ki bi takšen polet opravil v celoti z električnim propelerskim letalom - vsa ostala letala, ki so premagala večje razdalaje so bila jadralna letala , e-motor so uporabili za vzlet in za pomoč pri držanju smeri, vendar so pretežno jadrala. Tako da tudi jaz ne vem koliko od 250 milj, ki je opravil Pipistrel G4 npr je bilo na propeler, koliko pa na jadranje ..

Pipistrelu ostane še upanje : mogoče nihče še ni opravil ponovitve leta bratov Wright na štrom .. kot vidimo razdalja itak ni pomembna.
 

skala

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pipištrel lahko naredi solidarnsotni let z emigranti (libija-italija) to bi ziher bilo v vseh časopisih... pa še daljše in bolj zahtevno je. in ne ni zafrkancija ampak čisto resen predlog.