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AndY1

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Nikjer nisem trdil, da nimam z Vectrixom izpustov. Je pa takole; za 25km v službo in nazaj, pokurim 1.5kWh električne energije. Polovico od te dobim od NEK-a (GENI), ostalo, pa recimo od TEŠa.

V vsakem primeru imam veliko manj emisij CO2, pa če odmislimo to, ne osnežujem zraka, ki ga dihajo pešci in kolesarji, katerih mimo se peljem.

Zame je to Good Enough. Še posebej, če se peljem za 0.25 EUR/100km.
 
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Uporabnik AndY1 pravi:
Nikjer nisem trdil, da nimam z Vectrixom izpustov. Je pa takole; za 25km v službo in nazaj, pokurim 1.5kWh električne energije. Polovico od te dobim od NEK-a (GENI), ostalo, pa recimo od TEŠa.

V vsakem primeru imam veliko manj emisij CO2, pa če odmislimo to, ne osnežujem zraka, ki ga dihajo pešci in kolesarji, katerih mimo se peljem.

Zame je to Good Enough. Še posebej, če se peljem za 0.25 EUR/100km.
Navedba o elektro avtih brez emisij je bila zgolj za nazorni prikaz smešnosti tvoje izjave o tem, da se pa na dolge fure voziš s punco in njenim avtom v odgovor na to, da sem te razglasil za mentalno nesposobnega, ker trdiš, da se pa tebi jeb. za ceno bencina in da bencinske nisi videl že ne vem koliko časa. Pač tipično vrtičkarsko razmišljanje, ko pogled (ali pa misel) ne seže dlje kot do visoke ograje tvoje vrtička.

Ampak ok, spet nisi dojel pointa in si se obesil na totalno nepomemben del povedi...
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Še enkrat predlagam, da si odpreš plašnice in bo potem morda bolje...
 

XXXL

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Moje mišljenje (in kot kaže mišljenje mnogih) pa je, da so elekrični avti brez izpustov emisij CO2. Pri avtih s pogonom na bencin ali nafto, se izpusti merijo v izpušnih plinih. Teh pri električnih avtih ni. Če pa hočete upoštevati izpuste pri pridelavi električne energije, pa ne vem, zakaj tega ne storite tudi za avte na fosilna goriva, kajti tudi tam je treba pridelati bencin in poskrbeti za dostavo do črpalk...
 

AndY1

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Ti pa očitno ne znaš brati. Kar sem rekel je to, da ne vem, kolikšna je cena bencina, ne da se mi jebe. Samo, pač, obračaš zadeve.

In tudi nisem rekel, da bencinske nisem videl že toliko časa, ampak, da na bencinsko samo še hodim preverit pristik gum. Prosim, nauči se brati.

Kot pa sem že omenil dostikrat, pa ti očitno ni prišlo do živega, da bodo na začetku električni avtomobili za krajše razdalje in ne za razdalje 250km.
 

AndY1

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Moje mišljenje (in kot kaže mišljenje mnogih) pa je, da so elekrični avti brez izpustov emisij CO2. Pri avtih s pogonom na bencin ali nafto, se izpusti merijo v izpušnih plinih. Teh pri električnih avtih ni. Če pa hočete upoštevati izpuste pri pridelavi električne energije, pa ne vem, zakaj tega ne storite tudi za avte na fosilna goriva, kajti tudi tam je treba pridelati bencin in poskrbeti za dostavo do črpalk...

Tako je
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. In tukaj je krasno razloženo, kakšen je realni strošek bencina, from Well to Wheel:
 
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creep

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Mojih 5 centov...

Popolnoma električnih vozil še kar nekaj časa pri nas ne bomo uzrli, ralogov za to je ogromno. Takoj pa podpišem, da nekdo naredi konkretnega hibrida.

Enkrat so že bili izračuni, koliko HP je potrebno, da gre avto 130km/h in mislim, da je bila številka relativno majhna. Moč motorja se predvsem rabi pri pospeševanjih in prav tukaj jaz vidim prihodnost - KERS za navadne smrtnike =) Sploh pa v kombinaciji s kakšnim zanimivim "downsized" motorjem, recimo prihajajočim Fiatovim 2-valjnim turbo s 100HP.
 

AndY1

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Tudi meni je bila Opel Ampera prekrasna:
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To je sestrski avto GM Volta. Do 60km prevozi na baterije, ostalo poganja 1.4l bencinski motor, ki deluje kot generator, ki polni baterijo, sam pogon je pa še vedno na elektro motor.

Ko sem jo 1 mesec nazaj videl v živo, je bila še lepša kot na sliki.
 

AndY1

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Paris Preview: Renault DeZir concept signals new styling direction

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Renault's home auto show in Paris this fall will mark the beginning of a new styling direction for the brand and that means a new concept car. The DeZir is the first major project under new design VP Laurens van den Acker and according to Renault it represents the vision of 'simple', 'sensuous' and 'warm'. The shape certainly fulfills the first two elements and the bright red finish is downright hot.

The DeZir wouldn't be a modern Renault concept if it wasn't powered by electrons and such is the case for this coupe. Energy storage comes by way of the same size 24 kilowatt-hour lithium ion battery pack that sits under the Nissan Leaf and the driving range remains the same 100 miles. Unlike the Leaf, the pack in the concept is configured for Quick Drop exchanges.

Propulsion is provided by a 110 kilowatt electric motor spinning the rear wheels and pushing the 1,830 pound concept to 60 mph in five seconds (at least according to the spec sheet). Kevlar body panels are wrapped around a steel tube frame chassis with double wishbones at all four corners. Renault hasn't given any indication yet if the DeZir will be produced.
 

AndY1

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Honda home hydrogen station
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Earlier this year, Honda unveiled its newest prototype home hydrogen station for fuel cell vehicles. Susan Carpenter of The Los Angeles Times recently drove over to Honda's Torrance headquarters to check out the unit installed there. The system consists of three components: a vehicle filling unit, an electrolyzer to split tap water into hydrogen and oxygen and a six-kilowatt solar array to power it all.

The whole system can generate about 0.5 kilograms of hydrogen from eight hours of sunshine. That's enough for about 30-35 miles of driving, which should meet most people's daily commuting needs. If they need to use the full 270 mile range of the FCX Clarity, they'll have to stop by one of the handful of hydrogen stations in the Los Angeles area for a complete fill-up that takes about five minutes.

Edini problem je v tem, da če navedeni podatki držijo, da so s solarnimi celicami, ki dajejo 6kW moči, v 8 urah nabrali 48kWh energije, iz te, z elektrolizo, naredili 0.5kg vodika, s katerim se lahko naredi le 30-35 milj (55km). Nissan Leaf ima kapaciteto baterije 24kWh, s katerimi prevozi lahko cca. 160km. Torej bi s temi 48kWh lahko naredil več kot 300km.

Torej; z isto količine energije (48kWh):
- z uporabo vodika = 55km
- s shranjevanjem v baterijo = 300km

Lahko še kako drugače neučinkovito shranjujemo energijo?
 

AndY1

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CTO Straubel confirms Tesla is building two electric vehicle mules for Toyota

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AutoblogGreen had the rare opportunity on Friday to chat with Toyota CEO and president Akio Toyoda where he revealed a prototype vehicle with a Tesla electric drive unit was under construction. Tesla CTO JB Straubel has now told CNN Money that the Silicon valley company is preparing two mule vehicles for Toyota. Tesla battery packs, power electronnics and motors are being installed into Toyota bodies.
 

AndY1

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Ponovni start proizvodnje Toyote RAV4 EV
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Toyota and Tesla have officially announced that the electric prototypes being developed by the California startup are based on the RAV4 crossover, and the two companies hope to have a production version ready by 2012. When we sat down with Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda last week, he revealed that an initial prototype was being built with a Tesla electric powertrain. Since then, Tesla CTO JB Straubel revealed that his engineering team was preparing two vehicles based on an existing Toyota platform for delivery by the end of July.
 

AndY1

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Toyota, Severinsky headed to ITC over patent battle, company's hybrids could face import ban
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The long-running legal battle between Toyota and Alex Severinsky over who "invented" a critical piece of hybrid technology is heading into a new phase. The automaker and the Russian engineer will be making their respective cases before International Trade Commission judge Theodore Essex to determine if Toyota can continue to import its hybrid vehicles into the United States.
 

Ginginova

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Popušil bo. Od predlanskega leta ameriška sodišča mečejo patente, ki nimajo praktičnih udejanjanj na trgu, v smeti. Torej četudi je dokazal, da so kršili njegov patent, bo moral še dokazat, da je z njim naredil kak konkreten produkt in ga dal na trg. Če ga ni, se bo obrisal pod nosom.

V principu nova sodna praksa, ki preprečuje patentiranje samo radi pravdanja. Cel kup podjetij je namreč v zadnjih desetletjih vzniklo, ki so patentirala vse, kar jim pade na pamet, produkta pa nobenega. Zaposleni v takih podjetjih pa ponavadi en inženir in 15 pravnikov.
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AndY1

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Chelsea Sexton: Nissan Leaf uses information as gateway drug

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This will likely be the favorite screen for most drivers. All EVs have a power use gage of some sort, on which their drivers focus – initially out of necessity, then, as they become more comfortable with the car's range, out of interest. Ultimately, the gage is used to maximize range, often in competition with other drivers; the EV crowd was hypermiling long before the word made it into common vernacular. Still, there are always questions about how much energy the HVAC system uses, or radio, or headlights, even though most accessory use won't affect range, and even climate control is a distant second to one's right foot. Threads on EV forums delve into whether it's better to use AC or roll down the windows, and so on. While most drivers never see their battery's "state of charge" gage hit "empty", the more adventurous among us have all eked out the last few miles to the next stop in a sweltering car on the off chance that a little air conditioning might make the difference between getting there and not.
 

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Plug-in 2010: Nissan announces Leaf rollout plans, 8-year battery warranty
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At the Plug-in 2010 Conference in San Jose, CA today, Nissan North America's executive vice president, Carlos Tavares, announced that the Leaf's battery pack will be covered by an 8-year, 100,000-mile warranty – exactly what Chevrolet is offering on the Volt pack. He said that feedback from people interested in the Leaf was important in setting these levels, so that explains why Leaf handraisers got those email surveys about this topic recently.