Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

darjan

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"Over the past day, however, Ukraine has finally reached a breaking point," writes Mark Adomanis in Forbes.


Quote After the central bank announced that it would no longer directly intervene in the currency market, while also, rather incongruously, claiming that this was not a decision to let the currency float freely, the hryvnia has just totally collapsed in value."





Whoa, why! RT @ReutersJamie: Under the radar a bit today but Ukraine's currency, the hryvnia, has plunged 32% today: pic.twitter.com/ZRkKYgr5OF
 

darjan

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Western leaders to learn the hard way that when it comes to dealing with Vladimir Putin, there is nothing so ineffective as high-level diplomacy.

True, there is a sense of renewed urgency to the talks this week, with Ukraine's pro-Russian separatists launching a major new bid to capture Mariupol, a strategic port town that would help link up annexed Crimea with the rest of their turf. Nineteen people have died already in the latest clashes, and Mr Hollande has warned that the two sides may be seen heading towards a "total" war that will end up also threatening Europe.

Yet for all the rhetoric, the response from the West is likely to remain somewhat timid.

Očitno se dogaja na polno @ diplomacija, bojim se, da brez kakega učinka...
 

darjan

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Lepo so finančni trgi odreagirali, ko je zahod spet "obrnil hrbet" ukrajini. Očitno vlagatelji mislijo (ali imajo info), da ne bo nič s pomočjo in da je ukrajina zgubljena.
 

Ytbnd

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Opcije, zakaj tako mlačne reakcije:
1. zahodnim podpisnicam budimpeškega sporazuma, ki jamčijo za ozemeljsko suverenost UA dol visi za UA, vsaj dokler Rusov ne bo na njihovem dvorišču
2. načrtno zapletanje Rusije v dolgo vojno, ki bo imela za posledico ekonomsko sesutje slednje, UA je tu samo kmet na šahovnici (nobody gives a single f.u.c.k about them either).
3. da je Eu preprosto nesposobna kompetentno odreagirati, Ameri po drugi strani raje samo opazujejo situacijo od daleč (če se spomnimo obdobja 91-99, ko so Ameri z Natom na čelu na koncu udarili z letalskimi napadi po ZRJ in končali Kosovsko avanturo, medtem ko so na Eu strani hoteli žnjkrat na novo začeti mirovna pogajanja).
 

darjan

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Pa niso bile takrat kritike in tudi priznanja, da je nato predolgo okleval pri ZRJ? Bo podobno tudi tukaj?
 

darjan

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16.03 BREAKING Angela Merkel and François Hollande touched down in Kiev on Thursday with a new peace plan to stop an upsurge in fighting in east Ukraine.


"They landed, they're going directly to the presidency," a Ukrainian government source told AFP ahead of the leaders' meeting with President Petro Poroshenko.
 

Ytbnd

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Hint: ti mirovni načrti niso vredni papirja, na katerega so natisnjeni.
Zaharčenko& co so v ofenzivi, delajo "most" do Krima, se bojujejo proti zlobnim fašističnim Ukrajincem in tako dalje (RT_press), škoda da zahodni politiki sploh hodijo na pogajanja.
 

darjan

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In short, providing weapons or military advisers to Ukraine might be popular with parts of the US Congress, but it would go against everything we know about Mr Obama, his philosophy and his track record in dealing with conflict.
 

darjan

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President Obama will decide "soon" on whether to arm Ukraine against pro-Russian separatists but prefers a diplomatic solution, John Kerry has said in Kiev.
 

darjan

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The newspaper claims that Merkel and Hollande are in Kiev to get Poroshenko's approval for the plan, and if they succeed they will take it to Moscow for approval.


The new peace plan is based on last September's Minsk agreement, the newspaper reports, but recognises territorial gains by the separatists since then.


The plan offers a high degree of autinomy for separatist regions, the withdrawal of heavy weapons, and a prisoner exchange.
 

Genius3

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To je dobro le za RUSOFILE!


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Avtor slike: vesti-online.com

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Svet/468955/Ukrajinci-razbijeni-i-kod-Debaljceva-18
Ukrajinci razbijeni i kod Debaljceva (18+)

UPOZORENJE: Snimak je uznemirujuæ

Tenkovi Armije Novorosije razbili su u prah i pepeo utvrđeni rejon snaga "kijevske hunte" kraj Debaljceva.

Ovo je za kratko vreme drugi stravičan poraz ukrajinske vojske, jer su nedavno novoruske snage do nogu potukle protivnika u Ugljegorsku.


P.S.
Šta znači RUSOFIL?
http://staznaci.com/rusofil
 

Genius3

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no comment ...


P.S:
Jednom smo se veæ zakačili i to baš ovdje na ovom forumu. Ne želim da se to opet ponovi. Zato te ljubazno molim da u buduæe više ne odgovaraš na moje komentare. Dobro si to zapamti
Hvala na razumijevanju i prijatan preostatak večeri.
 

darjan

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Nato defense ministers have agreed to more than double the size of the alliance's Response Force and create a new quick-reaction force of 5,000 troops to meet simultaneous challenges from Russia and Islamic extremists.


Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the decisions made during a daylong meeting at alliance headquarters in Brussels will "ensure that we have the right forces in the right place at the right time."

Ne razumem pa najbolj tega:
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Given the grave deterioration in the crisis that has taken place since the turn of the year, the two leaders believe they must act if they are to prevent the conflict developing into a full-scale European war.

Govora je o merklovi in holandu, pa če pustimo ob strani razumnost te izjave, mi vseeno ni jasno zakaj je govora o european war. Kaj zdaj je mišljeno, da bi ruski zavezniki v evropi vdarli inside out, ali da bi rusija napovedala vojno in vkorakala v evropo al kaj blodijo ljudje in širijo paniko.

Edino, kar je realna opcija je nestabilen putin s jedrskim orožjem.
 

Matey

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Uporabnik darjan pravi:
Edino, kar je realna opcija je nestabilen putin s jedrskim orožjem.

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Kakšen klasičen pre-USA-attack stavek: Edino, kar je realna opcija je nestabilen ________ z ________ orožjem (tako da hitro v akcijo ter širit demokracijo ter spravit z oblasti glde glde dikatorje, ki so gldi gldi v glavnem zgolj zato, ker nočejo dovolj sodelovati)
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P.s. Pa z orožjem se napiše Z orožjem in ne S
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darjan

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Angela Merkel not expected in Moscow until 4 or 5pm local time, talks with Putin and Hollande in the evening, a German source tells Interfax
 

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Russia is highly likely to intervene in the Baltic states to test Nato's collective defence commitment, the former head of the Atlantic alliance told the Telegraph.

"This is not about Ukraine. Putin wants to restore Russia to its former position as a great power," Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.

"There is a high probability that he will intervene in the Baltics to test Nato's Article 5," he said, referring to the clause that commits Nato to respond collectively if a member is attacked.