Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

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darjan

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IN GENERAL.—The President is authorized to 22 provide defense articles, defense services, and training to 23 the Government of Ukraine for the purpose of countering 24 offensive weapons and reestablishing the sovereignty and 25
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territorial integrity of Ukraine, including anti-tank and 1 anti-armor weapons, crew weapons and ammunition, 2 counter-artillery radars to identify and target artillery bat-3 teries, fire control, range finder, and optical and guidance 4 and control equipment, tactical troop-operated surveillance 5 drones, and secure command and communications equip-6 ment, pursuant to the provisions of the Arms Export Con-7 trol Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.), the Foreign Assistance 8 Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2151 et seq.), and other relevant 9 provisions of law.
 
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Ytbnd

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Btw, če se Putinu strga in napade katero od Baltskih držav, kanonfuter bo vpoklican po vseh Nato državah, torej moški od 18 - 40 let, če bo to premalo še višje po starosti.
 
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jest5

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No ja, kapacitete za napad vsekakor ima.
Bi pa najverjetneje na koncu popušili, ker bi bil v kratkem proti njim ves nato.
 
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@Ytbnd, napad na baltske države se ne bo zgodil. Putin razmišlaj dosti objektivno. ne želi si WW3, kar za zahod nebi mogli reči.

@darhan, Rusija ima kapacitete za WW3, ne se guncat na zahidno propagando.

@jest5, ne se zanašat na propagando. Vojna se ne bilaj na številkah, temveč na kapacitetah. NATO, ne me hecat, koliko vojakov bi se odzvalo na mobilizacijo? Poglej ukrajino, odziv je nekje okoli 4%. ''Nori rusi'' bi se sigurno bolje iskalizali na mobilizicaciji. Da o številu tankov, oklepnih vozil, avijonov, ostale vojne tehnike ki je še iz hladne vojne ne govorim.

Vse eno upam da ne bo zgodil resen konflikt.
 
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Afroman

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Jest5, kakšen cel nato? Služenje v JNA je bilo obvezno, bilo je nekje 200.000 rednih vojakov, nabornikov. Bilo je še par miljonov rezervistov ( + poklicni komandni kader , okoli 20.000.)

Ko se je začela osamosvojitev slovenije So se številke drastično zmanjšale. Sedaj je nekaj par tisoč vojakov. Misliš da ima NATO drastično večje število vojakov kot Rusija?

Če malo bolje pogledaš konflikt v Novorusiij, Novorusijsjka armada dobiva velike prednosti in veliko zplembo tehnike.
 
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Afroman, S. Američanov je 400mio, Evropejcev okrog 500mio, s Turčijo nekaj manj kot 600 mio. Slaba miljarda vs. 150 mio Rusov...sploh nebi bilo fer.

S tem da je ameriški obrambni proračun večji kot X naslednjih držav skupaj, večina ostalih NATO članic pa sicer ne zapravlja v dogovorjenih % BPD, ampak vseeno so med najbogatejšimi državami na planetu in so končne cifre kar lepe.
 
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Pac, američanov je 313 miljonov, Evropejcev je 740 miljonov , pa saj nima veze, Važno je koliko so se ljudje pripravljeni braniti. Poglej ukrajino kjer jim gre nabor po gobe. Če mene vprašaš nihče iz zahoda nebo notel hodit v rusijoi Rusi bodo pa resno branili svojo državo. Razlika je v morali, ali braniš svojo državo. ali napadaš tujo.

Rusija le ni ena lari fari država pod snkcijami. Je le druga izvoznica orožja na svetu, torej ima tudi svojo dobro vojaško industrijo.

Mislim da ima zahod vsaj malo solidne svetovalce in da ne bodo bezali v Rusijo. Torej lahko Rusija počne kar hoče. Ali je prav ali ne, ne vem,. Ampak podobno se obnaša tudi USA:
 
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Se komu zdi zanimivo, v katerem jeziku govorijo?

Citat:

Video from helmet camera, rebel found it on the dead body of ukrainian national gard after fight with Asov Brigade:
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Citat:
Uporabnik AndY1 pravi:
Se komu zdi zanimivo, v katerem jeziku govorijo?

Citat:

Video from helmet camera, rebel found it on the dead body of ukrainian national gard after fight with Asov Brigade:
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Bataljon Azov je pro fašistični pro kijevska enota.

Od začetka govorijo Angleško. Nekaterim ne potegne vmešavanje plačancev iz USA. Uradno se jim v USA reče svetovalci. Niso nič drugega kot plačanci ki jih financira USA. Zastonj govorit, nekaterim ne bo nikoli potegnilo.

Kasneje se sliši nekaj po ukrajinsko.

Da kijevska vojska, tolče po njihovih prebivalcih Ukrajine jim tudi ni jasno. To privede samo do še večjega odpora Novorusov.

Da novorusi na veliko uničujejo pro kijevse vojaške sile in da dobivajo vojno jim tudi ne bo jasno . Tako tudi poraženku ni jasno in bi rad nadaljeval vojno. Seveda, njemu ni nič hudega, ljudje pa umirajo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUXZ_tBaVHc
 
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darjan

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1475181546079970

According to Bild, this information was provided by the German Government basing on the data of Federal Intelligence Service (BND) to the request of Bundestag Defense Committee member, representative of the Left Party Alexander Neu. Air defence systems in question are combined surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon systems ‘Pantsir’ produced by Russia, which were spotted in Eastern Ukraine on 15-25 August.

According to the German Government, Ukraine doesn’t have such air defense systems in its arsenal. German Intelligence Service also has information that separatist underwent partial training on the Russian territory.

Upam, da se bo danes porošenko lahko kaj dogovoril v USA, o kakšni vojaški pomoči, magari zgolj obrambnim orožjem.
 
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Izbrisan uporabnik #488

menda ne bodo rusi gledali da sonarodnjake tolčejo z letali, ruskimi :)
 
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darjan

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To že od vsega začetka ne gledajo, saj veš kako so jim klatli vojaška letala že tam...junija ali prej? potem pa je padel še MH17
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Ukraine crisis: Forgotten death of Russian soldier

Še en mrtev ruski vojak, ki je poškodbe dobil med vajami na ukrajinski meji. No biggie. Zanimiv del:

Knocked and beaten

It is a hugely sensitive subject.

That may explain what happened to our news team after the interview with Oksana.

As we were leaving her village we were stopped by traffic police.

Our car boot was checked, as were our identities.

We drove on to Astrakhan, 40 miles away, for lunch.

When we left the cafe and approached our vehicle, we were confronted and attacked by at least three aggressive individuals.

Our cameraman was knocked to the ground and beaten.

The attackers grabbed the BBC camera, smashed it on the road and took it away in their getaway car.

We spent more than four hours at the police station being questioned by investigators.

Buried and forgotten

On the way to the airport we discovered that, while we had been at the police station, some of the recording equipment in the car had been tampered with.

The hard drive of our main computer and several memory cards had been wiped clean.

Fortunately we had uploaded the interview to London earlier in the day.

But why would anyone set out to destroy our material and to silence the sister of a Russian soldier?
 
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darjan

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Russia has deployed about 5,000 soldiers in eastern Ukraine to back separatist fighters, a Defense Ministry official in Kiev said as fighting flared up today on the outskirts of Donetsk.

Russian forces and about 15,000 rebels in Ukraine’s east are readying for an offensive, Oleksandr Danylyuk, an aide to the Ukrainian defense minister, said on Facebook. He said about 50,000 Russian troops are massed on Ukraine’s border. President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly denied that any members of the Russian armed forces are deployed in Ukraine.
 
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Hehe
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https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/512587539484774400

There is a ceasefire but for some reason everyone around this gun including @GrahamWP_UK is wearing ear protection pic.twitter.com/brjPEFLDaI

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Graham Phillips je Anglež, dopisnik RussiaToday in UFO (umsko fuknjena oseba).

Njegov tvit, ki je originalni vir fotografije je tudi remek delo:

https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK/status/512574790356729857/photo/1

I'm working in #Novorossiya today, my thoughts are with Scotland, the #indyref. I believe the UK is #bettertogether pic.twitter.com/wGmxXOwhzc


Se pravi - Ukrajinci narazen - OK, Škoti & Angleži pa raje ne.
 
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