Križarska vojska v Ukrajini

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darjan

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No to je to, kar sem sam špekuliral, kako hudiča bi dohtar, glede na videz strelne rane, zagotovo vedel, da gre za istega strelca. Ni logike.
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Po rani (in ce kugla kje ostane v takem stanju da je razpoznavna)..lahko kvecjemu doloci kaliber
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Kot sem ze par 10 strani nazaj napisal...so mi kugle zdijo neverjetno ohranjene glede na to da so prletele v telo (kosti)....neprobojca!
 

vandrovec

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In kje ti vidiš na fašistih kljukasti križ in orla?

baterije morš zamenat

Zakaj misliš pa misliš, da sm prpopal to slikco? Pa včer tisto butarco?

Enim se pač vsepovsod prikazujejo fašisti, pr tem pa niti ne vejo kako ta žvau zgleda.

Aha.
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Saj tiste tetovirane neonacistične maškare same ne vedo, kako so izgledali nacisti. Glede na izgled in obnašanje bi leta 41 verjetno končali v konclagru...

Prava tetovaža izgleda takole, ne pa svastika čez cel hrbet:

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Pa še ena aktualna:

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dodaske

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Razmišljanja:

I suspect this entire Ukraine Crisis had been war-gamed and war planned quite some time ago at the highest levels of US/NATO. Notice DOD slipped 2 US warships into the Black Sea just before the Olympics under a patently absurd pretext. In other words, what we are seeing unfold here is a US/NATO War Plan. They instigated the fascist coup against Yanukovich. They anticipated that Putin would then respond by taking over Crimea. I suspect the US/NATO/EU response will be to introduce military forces into Western Ukraine and Kiev and thus make Ukraine a de facto member of NATO, which has been their objective all along. They have already anticipated what Putin’s next move after that will be. Notice also the massive anti-Russian campaign by the Western News Media working in lock-step with each other. Another sign that all this has been planned well in advance. I suspect that US/NATO/EU figure that Putin knows they have this offensive, first-strike strategic nuclear capability with a rudimentary ABM/BMD capability so that at the end of the day he will be forced to stand down—or else. Compellence as opposed to Deterrence. Just like during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That is where this US/NATO/EU War Plan is heading on the assumptions that they can keep their deliberate Escalation Dominance under their control and that at the end day Putin will be forced to stand down just like Khrushchev did and for the same reasons. That would leave US/NATO/EU in control of at least half of Ukraine as a de facto NATO member state.

– Francis A. Boyle, Champaign, IL, Lawyer, professor of International Law, and long-time peacenik
 
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lafarge

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da bi rešili to hudo krimsko ukrajinsko krizo in ruse postavili na realna tla predlagam da najprej uvedemo rusiji gospodarske sankcije :
- nehamo jim dobavljati plin
- nehamo jim dobavljati nafto
- nehamo jim dobavljati orožje
- nehamo jim dobavljati rudnine - zlato, uran, sol, žveplo....
- nehamo jih zalagati z lesom
- prenehamo jim dobavljati alkoholne pijače - recimo vodko - to jih bo najbolj prizadelo

u bistvu jim na več koncih zminiramo pipe line..... po dolžini Ukrajine...
Bo pač Norveška več zaslužila...

To bi bilo dovolj da bi se začeli Rusi med sabo minirat...
 

dodaske

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Razmišljanja 2:

When the Berlin Wall fell in December of 1991 the Soviet Union disintegrated into fifteen separate countries. Daddy Bush’s Secretary of State James Baker promised Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union’s last leader, that NATO would not expand one-centimeter eastward. Once Clinton took over he broke the promise and since that time NATO has been on steroids. NATO now includes Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, and Croatia…. with Georgia and Ukraine waiting in the wings.

If you are Russia you are freaking out. Also consider NATO bases encircling Russia and new “missile defense” deployments going into Poland, Romania, Turkey and on US Navy Aegis destroyers (outfitted with MD interceptors) in the Black, Barents, Bering, and Mediterranean Seas. It’s a chess game and US-NATO has now checkmated Russia. The ultimatum is either surrender (your natural gas, oil and national treasury) or face a unified NATO economic freeze and war if need be. It’s high-stakes… high-risk strategy…Texas style.

Admittedly this is a grab by the oil-i-garchs for total global control. The people are the pawns, easily cast aside when need be. The way I figure it, my job is to keep learning about all this and sharing it with others. Don’t fear the anti-commie BS that is used to put people back ‘into their place’. I don’t like people telling me what I can do or say…. I heard enough of that stuff while in the Air Force during the Vietnam War.

Help illuminate the picture on the wall for more to see. We’ve all, worldwide, got to create a unified demand to shut the capitalist war system down. The corporate fascists have taken over. It’s the high-tech version of feudalism.
 

kravakonj

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Novinarka RT dala odpoved live on air:
http://rt.com/usa/rt-reacts-liz-wahl-042/
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When a journalist disagrees with the editorial position of his or her organization, the usual course of action is to address those grievances with the editor, and, if they cannot be resolved, to quit like a professional. But when someone makes a big public show of a personal decision, it is nothing more than a self-promotional stunt.
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We wish Liz the best of luck on her chosen path.
Na področju medijske propagande pa Rusi še precej stopicajo za ZDA.
 
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Fonzl

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After several weeks of civil unrest, the East German government announced on 9 November 1989 that all GDR citizens could visit West Germany and West Berlin. Crowds of East Germans crossed and climbed onto the wall, joined by West Germans on the other side in a celebratory atmosphere. Over the next few weeks, a euphoric public and souvenir hunters chipped away parts of the wall; the governments later used industrial equipment to remove most of the rest. The physical Wall itself was primarily destroyed in 1990. The fall of the Berlin Wall paved the way for German reunification, which was formally concluded on 3 October 1990.
 

dodaske

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http://rt.com/usa/rt-reacts-liz-wahl-042/
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When a journalist disagrees with the editorial position of his or her organization, the usual course of action is to address those grievances with the editor, and, if they cannot be resolved, to quit like a professional. But when someone makes a big public show of a personal decision, it is nothing more than a self-promotional stunt.
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We wish Liz the best of luck on her chosen path.
Na področju medijske propagande pa Rusi še precej stopicajo za ZDA.


To drži kot pribito....Resnica je še hujša....razlika med US-NATO propagandno mašino in ostalimi je tako velika....da si ljudje tega niti v sanjah ne predstavljajo...

Večina (in mislim da sem enkrat to že povedal) si pri tehtanju informacij ne morejo pomagati. Na eni strani lahko vidijo propagando...na drugi strani tega ne zmorejo...Zaključek....torej mora biti res slednje...

balancing ne deluje kot demokratični princip...Od človeka zahteva nov pristop k tehtanju in zbiranju informacij...kar pa velikokrat zahteva tako čas kot intelekt...

Napad na internet kot medij, ki človeku zelo olajša dostop do informacij...torej napadena časovna komponenta...(spomnimo Acte itd, socialna omrežja-informacija pride preko fejk ljudi še predno se jo človek odloči iskati...)

- intelekt...prevzem in kontrola izobraževalnega sistema...privatizacija....

Te ljudje so zelo pred nami...zelo... vem boli...tudi mene...
 

dodaske

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u bistvu jim na več koncih zminiramo pipe line..... po dolžini Ukrajine...
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naj NATO zbombardira celotno ukrajino ( da ne bi rusi še kaj srali tam ) pa bo ziher mir

Spominjate me na čivave... nič od psa....tko kot nič od vas...
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dodaske

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A ti namignem: 70/20/10

Ti še enkrat namignem: 70% resnice / 20% pol resnic / 10% laži

Ti namignem....10% laži, ki si jih sprejel...obrnejo sliko
Ti se sedaj izkaži in izlušči laži in polresnice.


Voila:

1. Mr. Putin says: Russian forces in Crimea are only acting to protect Russian military assets. It is “citizens’ defense groups,” not Russian forces, who have seized infrastructure and military facilities in Crimea.

The Facts: Strong evidence suggests that members of Russian security services are at the heart of the highly organized anti-Ukraine forces in Crimea. While these units wear uniforms without insignia, they drive vehicles with Russian military license plates and freely identify themselves as Russian security forces when asked by the international media and the Ukrainian military. Moreover, these individuals are armed with weapons not generally available to civilians.


Resnica– irelevantno – časovno zaporedje dogodkov – to je reakcija na udar


2. Mr. Putin says: Russia’s actions fall within the scope of the 1997 Friendship Treaty between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

The Facts: The 1997 agreement requires Russia to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Russia’s military actions in Ukraine, which have given them operational control of Crimea, are in clear violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.


Resnica – ireleventna – Podpisan seveda v duhu, da ukrajina ne bo NATO »pupet country«


3. Mr. Putin says: The opposition failed to implement the February 21 agreement with former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

The Facts: The February 21 agreement laid out a plan in which the Rada, or Parliament, would pass a bill to return Ukraine to its 2004 Constitution, thus returning the country to a constitutional system centered around its parliament. Under the terms of the agreement, Yanukovych was to sign the enacting legislation within 24 hours and bring the crisis to a peaceful conclusion. Yanukovych refused to keep his end of the bargain. Instead, he packed up his home and fled, leaving behind evidence of wide-scale corruption.


LAŽ – je potrebno tukaj kaj dodati?

4. Mr. Putin says: Ukraine’s government is illegitimate. Yanukovych is still the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

The Facts: On March 4, President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych “has no political future.” After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes – more than an 82% majority. The interim government of Ukraine is a government of the people, which will shepherd the country toward democratic elections on May 25th – elections that will allow all Ukrainians to have a voice in the future of their country.

Pol resnica – podkupljeni – pritiski – nacisti kot orodje pritiska

5. Mr. Putin says: There is a humanitarian crisis and hundreds of thousands are fleeing Ukraine to Russia and seeking asylum.

The Facts: To date, there is absolutely no evidence of a humanitarian crisis. Nor is there evidence of a flood of asylum-seekers fleeing Ukraine for Russia. International organizations on the ground have investigated by talking with Ukrainian border guards, who also refuted these claims. Independent journalists observing the border have also reported no such flood of refugees.

resnica – še ne


6. Mr. Putin says: Ethnic Russians are under threat.

The Facts: Outside of Russian press and Russian state television, there are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians being under threat. The new Ukrainian government placed a priority on peace and reconciliation from the outset. President Oleksandr Turchynov refused to sign legislation limiting the use of the Russian language at regional level. Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have filed petitions attesting that their communities have not experienced threats. Furthermore, since the new government was established, calm has returned to Kyiv. There has been no surge in crime, no looting, and no retribution against political opponents.

resnica – še ne


7. Mr. Putin says: Russian bases are under threat.

The Facts: Russian military facilities were and remain secure, and the new Ukrainian government has pledged to abide by all existing international agreements, including those covering Russian bases. It is Ukrainian bases in Crimea that are under threat from Russian military action.


Resnica – irelevantno – naslednja faza je prekinitev najemne pogodbe


8. Mr. Putin says: There have been mass attacks on churches and synagogues in southern and eastern Ukraine.

The Facts: Religious leaders in the country and international religious freedom advocates active in Ukraine have said there have been no incidents of attacks on churches. All of Ukraine’s church leaders, including representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, have expressed support for the new political leadership, calling for national unity and a period of healing. Jewish groups in southern and eastern Ukraine report that they have not seen an increase in anti-Semitic incidents.


Pol resnica – so bili napadi, ki pa so bili v propagandne namene prenapihnjeni


9. Mr. Putin says: Kyiv is trying to destabilize Crimea.

The Facts: Ukraine’s interim government has acted with restraint and sought dialogue. Russian troops, on the other hand, have moved beyond their bases to seize political objectives and infrastructure in Crimea. The government in Kyiv immediately sent the former Chief of Defense to defuse the situation. Petro Poroshenko, the latest government emissary to pursue dialogue in Crimea, was prevented from entering the Crimean Rada.


resnica – irelevantno – »pupet »vlada je že z udarom destebilizirala celotno regijo…ni ji v interesu(majo taka navodila)…da provocirajo Rusijo…žogica je na strani Rusov.


10. Mr. Putin says: The Rada is under the influence of extremists or terrorists.

The Facts: The Rada is the most representative institution in Ukraine. Recent legislation has passed with large majorities, including from representatives of eastern Ukraine. Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada. There is no indication that the Ukrainian government would pursue discriminatory policies; on the contrary, they have publicly stated exactly the opposite.

Resnica –ireleventno- šele z novimi volitvami(v kolikor bodo sploh poštene) se bo videlo kaj pa kako---mi vemo kako bo a ne…
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Edina stvar ki dam rusom prav so extremisti.....ampak so na obeh straneh.

Ce bo zapelo bo samo zarad njih...bodo izgovor za vojaski napad

zato pa:

A) se oboje zbere na polju pa da se pobijejo kre**** med sabo
B) obe vojski razbijeta in pozapreta vsaka svoje...
 
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