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Matey

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Sem videl, hvala.
Poleg tega piše pa tudi:
"The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak."

Ne vem, nisem infektolog, ampak brat in razumet prebrano pa znam. Tisti, ki tole berejo na školjki vseeno mislim, da tudi znajo brat in razumet, samo izgleda do konca niso prišli, ker so se prej pokakali.
Jp. Zato pa pravim za to raziskavo že kar nekaj časa, da nam daje misliti saj kontrira tisti, ki je dokazala najmanj 40% manjši viral load pri cepljenih ampak bo pa treba še dodatno potestirat par stvari preden se bo za "suho zlato" jemalo neke domneve do katerih se je tekom te raziskave prišlo. In točno to je v bistvu tudi napisano na koncu.
 

nemenabijat

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7. feb 2011
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Nov dan nove zablode. Tale izjava zmaga:

"Kot pa so poročali v oddaji 24UR ZVEČER, naj bi strokovna skupina ugotavljala, da število okužb ni več povezano s tem, kolikšna je na koncu dejanska zasedenost bolnišničnih postelj."

Zgleda, da pacienti hodijo na počitnice v bolnico.


 
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nemenabijat

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Tale novost pa postaja vse bolj verjetna in mnogim hkrati neprijetna:

"In še ena novost je na mizi. Če bo okuženih še več, se bodo morali na koncu testirati tudi cepljeni. "

Sicer pa piše na koncu. :aplauz: Zdaj veste kdaj bo konec. :aplauz:
 

Gavran

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22. jul 2007
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Nuku`Alofa
Že imamo kakšno politično stranko za volitve drugo leto, ki bi legalizirala covid?
Cela kul falanga načeloma nasprotuje Janši, torej tudi ukrepom
fajonsolabrez-mask.png
 
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sousis

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"Pozivamo, da ukrepe za vrtce in šole oblikuje stroka. Ob epidemiologih tudi pedagogi, socialni delavci, psihologi, praktiki. Zahtevamo jasen in predvidljiv načrt z vključevanjem vseh, ne dekrete iz danes na jutri. Za šolo brez mask."

Ovce: "Maske be be beee"
 
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Gavran

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Nuku`Alofa
Stroka...



Kul ovce: "šola brez mask beeee beeee"
 

sousis

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Stroka...



Kul ovce: "šola brez mask beeee beeee"
A Ihan sodeluje pri definiranju ukrepov? Ne. Sodeluje Beovička, ki je za svoje sodelovanje bila lepo nagrajena z novim stolčkom, in Bitenc, ki je ... kakšen že ekspert, razen za polnjenje denarnice?
 
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sousis

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Drugega mi ne odpre. Predvidevam, da so kakšne študije, glede na URL.

Lej, nihče ne pravi, da nikakor ne maske - kot pravim, eni se obesite točno samo na to. Poziv SD je bil, da še kdo drug poda mnenje o ukrepih v šolah in vrtcih, zato da se vsi skupaj malo bolje zavedajo rizikov in koristi od različnih pristopov. "Strokovna skupina", ki ni strokovna, pa vlada pri nas znajo samo maskirat in zapret. Aja, pa da bi ukrepe dejansko določali z neko strategijo in pametjo, ne pa odvisno kakor se vladi (=JJu) sprdne.
 

sousis

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Če daješ linke, ti dam eno pričevanje nekoga, ki se malo več ukvarja z otroci in ne samo z vladno propagando:

I'm a pediatrician. I'm also a parent of a young child who is about to go to school for the first time.

Throughout the entire pandemic, the children's hospital I work at has admitted a total of eight kids for acute COVID infection. Eight in seventeen months. No deaths, no subsequent long COVID as far as I'm aware. We've actually had more adults than kids admitted with COVID, because during the worst of the third wave when the adult ICUs were full to bursting we accepted adult patients for the first time in the history of our institution. Even though Delta is the dominant variant in our community now, our last pediatric COVID admission was in the springtime.

Nevertheless our hospital has been at or over capacity for at least the last year. Not with COVID and not with the other infectious diseases that usually fill us up (because the kids aren't catching colds and gastro from each other like they usually do), but with the knock-on effects of anguish and alienation.

Self-injury, assaults, motor vehicle collisions with an intoxicated teenage driver, overdoses both accidental and intentional, one after the other, way beyond anything we've previously seen. Many of these children have not survived to discharge. Many survivors are left with permanent deficits. Our eating disorders program is 'operating' at 300% capacity and our inpatient psychiatry unit is broken. Our child abuse specialists are overwhelmed. I spent a month working in our PICU the month after schools closed again during the third wave, and I had five or six awful stories. And this is leaving aside many hospitalizations for less dire indications like malnutrition, somatization syndromes, and treatment plan nonadherence (the average blood sugars of kids with diabetes have gone through the roof).

As with natural disasters and climate change, I can't definitively pin any particular one of these cases on school closures and the social deprivation these kids are facing, but at the end of the day you look at the overall pattern and there is no way around it. A lot of hands have been wrung throughout the pandemic about kids' mental health; nobody seems to talk about the fact that it is literally killing them. Another lost school year will kill more of them.

All is not lost. Student-to-student transmission is pretty rare, especially among pre-pubertal (ie vaccine-ineligible) kids. If the adults around them are vaccinated and wearing masks, if the classroom is well-ventilated, if the community rates are kept low by mask/vaccine/capacity limit policies, then the kids will be okay. Even with Delta, even before we can mass-immunize them. We can get them through these few months. But school shutdowns have to be the absolute last resort and any authority that wants to shut them down without doing everything in their power to achieve basic safety practices has blood on their hands. I don't want to watch another healthy 16-year-old die of loneliness.