Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

Kamele0N

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Propaganda na delu??? Jep na polno!

Tukaj si lahko preberete dekonstrukcijo uvožene "demokracije"

Oba sta zgrešila, Putin sponzorira neonacije po evropi, ker so vsi po vrsti anti-EU, šibka, razbita unija je želja Rusije.

Izvoz "internacional socializma" kot v 30`s
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Pac_Man

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Kaj verjetno počnejo američani v stavbi SBU - pomagajo postavit obveščevalno agencijo z nule.

Ukraine's top intelligence agency deeply infiltrated by Russian spies

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On a morning earlier this year, Ukraine’s top intelligence officials woke up to discover that the country's spy agency had been ransacked and torched by intruders who seemed to know what they were looking for.

The previous night, it turned out, the country’s pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, had ordered his operatives to steal a trove of state secrets from Ukraine's Security Service, known as the SBU, before fleeing to Moscow on Feb. 22.

During their raid on the spy agency, the thieves also stole data on more than 22,000 officers and informants as well as anything documenting decades of cooperation between the SBU and its Russian counterpart, the Federal Security Service, or FSB.

What the burglars weren't able to carry, they burned or destroyed. In the ruins of the offices, scorched files and empty folders lay strewn on the floors.

“Every hard drive and flash drive was destroyed — smashed with hammers,” said one current Ukrainian intelligence official recently. By the time he and his colleagues got there, "it was all ash and dust."

For a country in the shadow of Russia and embarking on an uncertain path toward democracy, the break-in was devastating.

As the current SBU director Valentyn Nalyvaichenko put it, the thieves took “everything that forms a basis for a professional intelligence service."

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So far, 235 agents, including the former counterintelligence chief and his cousin, and hundreds of other operatives believed to be working for Moscow, have been arrested and 25 high treason probes against Yanukovych-era SBU officials have been launched. All regional directors for the agency have changed, as well as half of their deputies.

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To overhaul the agency, the SBU has brought in scores of fresh recruits. But while the young agents come from more Kiev-friendly western regions of Ukraine, many of the recruits — who are mostly in their early twenties — have little experience. Still, the intelligence service has little choice.

“What is better, to have professional former KGB guys who probably still have more friends in [Russia] or have loyal young guys who can learn and who we can be confident he will not leak secrets to Russia?” said Melnyk.

And it may not be very hard to turn the new recruits as pay is meager — about $200 per month — and moonlighting as a Russian informant may pay "three, maybe four times more," according to one SBU officer.


To test their loyalty, new and old agents are subjected to recurrent interrogations and lie detector tests. But, as one security officer put it: “the rifle is the best lie detector.”
 

Matey

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Itaq, obveščevalna služba s KGB agenti je nesprejemljiva, s CIA agenti pa zaželjena in se bodo informacije stekale v USA namesto v Rusijo
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btw - potem ne boš odpru ločene teme o Rusiji in boš raje tukaj naprej offtopice lepil?
 

Pac_Man

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ZDA niso v vojni z Ukrajino.

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According to two senior Ukrainian security officials, agents had figured out that Girkin was spending time at a checkpoint on the edge of Sloviansk with several of his fighters. But no sooner had the operation gotten underway before Girkin was tipped off by a mole inside the Ukrainian security service and he slipped away.


Čakam kaj bo. Nima veze odpirat temo za protest, ki bo izvenel.
 

Matey

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S kom pa je Ukrajina v vojni?

Pa če se ti zdi protest v Rusiji tako nepomemben in bo tako ali tako izvenel, zakaj ga potemtakem lepiš v to temo, ki s tem nima nobene veze?

Poanta mojega prejšnjega posta pa je, da bi morala biti v interesu Ukrajincev postavitev takšne ali drugačne službe brez vseh tujih agentov. Ker pa USA "pomagajo Ukrajini" pri tem pa bodo seveda imeli veliko od te nove ukrajinske tajne službe oz. se bodo po novem informacije iztekale v USA namesto v Rusijo in to verjetno kar brez dvojnih agentov ampak to je pa ok.
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Pac_Man

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S kom pa je Ukrajina v vojni?

Z Rusijo.

Ukrajina potrebuje funkcionalno obveščevalno službo tukaj&zdaj, ne čez 5-10 let. Resursi so, kakršni so, Američani so verjetno ponudili pomoč.

Še en avtogol putinovega režima - namesto, da bi podprli ukrajinski narod v njihovi težnji po vstopu v EU, so si v sosednji državi z veliko rusko govorečih zagotovili Ameriki prijazno obveščevalno službo. Podpora vstopu v NATO je tudi čez 50%. Bravo.
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Pac_Man

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Pac_Man

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Twitter, zgoraj imaš en živ video, spodaj še eden:

 

AndY1

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Ta protest me spominja na proteste Janševega Odbora 2014 po tem, ko je bil JJ spoznan za krivega v primeru Patria.

Torej, če si spoznan za krivega s strani pravosodja, greš na ulico.
 

boomslang

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A je Tov. Nuland, že prinesla piškotke na proteste... Ker če ne, potem iz tega ne bo nič...Drgač, pa, kot je omenil že Andy.... Primerjava z našim puklastim razsvetljencem, je precej na mestu...
 

darjan

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Ja, ampak Andy je janšev, oz desni, in v drugih temah tudi kurca našo pravosodno vejo, tako da je njegova izjava relativno smešna
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AndY1

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Ja, ampak Andy je janšev, oz desni, in v drugih temah tudi kurca našo pravosodno vejo, tako da je njegova izjava relativno smešna
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Hvala diametralno enako.
 

boomslang

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Mah, osnovni problem, je v nepoznavanju Ruske politične scene... Če vam, povem, da je Putin najbolj PRO-Evropsko razpoloženi voditelj v Rusiji, naj vam bo dovolj... Večina drugih, bi do sedaj že davno pregazila vzhodni del Ukrajine, " ko plitak potok" in potem bi bilo kaj ??? Nič... Enako, kot v primeru Gruzije...
 

AndY1

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Če vam, povem, da je Putin najbolj PRO-Evropsko razpoloženi voditelj v Rusiji

Jp in to je povedal tudi sam profesor Stephen Cohen.
 

darjan

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Seveda je, če je tako lepo lupil evropo s oderuškimi cenami plina. Ve tudi, da je evropa vojaško pičkin dim...

NATO oz USA pa je druga pesem...