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Ukraine war crimes trials a step closer after Red Cross assessment
(Reuters) - The Red Cross has made a confidential legal assessment that Ukraine is officially in a war, Western diplomats and officials say, opening the door to possible war crimes prosecutions, including over the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH-17.
"Clearly it's an international conflict and therefore this is most probably a war crime," one Western diplomat in Geneva told Reuters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is the guardian of the Geneva Conventions setting down the rules of war, and as such is considered a reference in the United Nations deciding when violence has evolved into an armed conflict.
"Within the U.N. system, it's the ICRC that makes that determination. They are the gate keepers of international humanitarian law," said one U.N. source.
The ICRC has not made any public statement - seeking not to offend either Ukraine or Russia by calling it a civil war or a case of foreign aggression - but it has done so privately and informed the parties to the conflict, sources told Reuters.
"The qualification has been shared bilaterally and confidentially," ICRC spokeswoman Anastasia Isyuk told Reuters on Friday. "We do not discuss it publicly."
The designation as a war - either international or civil - changes the game legally, because it turns both sides into combatants with equal liability for war crimes, which have no statute of limitations and cannot be absolved by an amnesty.
Suspects may also be arrested abroad, since some countries apply "universal jurisdiction" to war crimes.
Without the designation, Ukrainian government forces would be responsible for protecting civilians and infrastructure under international human rights law, while separatists would only be liable under Ukraine's criminal laws.
"It changes their accountability on the international stage," said Andrew Clapham, director of the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights. "This makes individuals more likely to be prosecuted for war crimes."
Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. [ID:nL6N0PW2VI]
Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in May that the country had collapsed into civil war, while Ukraine regards the conflict as a war involving Russian aggression.
(Reporting by Tom Miles; editing by Stephanie Nebehay/Jeremy Gaunt)
Ukraine war crimes trials a step closer after Red Cross assessment
(Reuters) - The Red Cross has made a confidential legal assessment that Ukraine is officially in a war, Western diplomats and officials say, opening the door to possible war crimes prosecutions, including over the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH-17.
"Clearly it's an international conflict and therefore this is most probably a war crime," one Western diplomat in Geneva told Reuters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is the guardian of the Geneva Conventions setting down the rules of war, and as such is considered a reference in the United Nations deciding when violence has evolved into an armed conflict.
"Within the U.N. system, it's the ICRC that makes that determination. They are the gate keepers of international humanitarian law," said one U.N. source.
The ICRC has not made any public statement - seeking not to offend either Ukraine or Russia by calling it a civil war or a case of foreign aggression - but it has done so privately and informed the parties to the conflict, sources told Reuters.
"The qualification has been shared bilaterally and confidentially," ICRC spokeswoman Anastasia Isyuk told Reuters on Friday. "We do not discuss it publicly."
The designation as a war - either international or civil - changes the game legally, because it turns both sides into combatants with equal liability for war crimes, which have no statute of limitations and cannot be absolved by an amnesty.
Suspects may also be arrested abroad, since some countries apply "universal jurisdiction" to war crimes.
Without the designation, Ukrainian government forces would be responsible for protecting civilians and infrastructure under international human rights law, while separatists would only be liable under Ukraine's criminal laws.
"It changes their accountability on the international stage," said Andrew Clapham, director of the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights. "This makes individuals more likely to be prosecuted for war crimes."
Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. [ID:nL6N0PW2VI]
Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in May that the country had collapsed into civil war, while Ukraine regards the conflict as a war involving Russian aggression.
(Reporting by Tom Miles; editing by Stephanie Nebehay/Jeremy Gaunt)
Osvobajal so vzhod drzave...najbrz nisi bral nobenih porocil o obnasanju rusov tam...
Poturili so nam Jožeka...že to je..
In komunizem kateri nas je zahebal za 60let nazaj...njegove presezke pa bomo cutili se nadaljnih 100let...
Kamorkoli je stopila ruska noga so bili ljudje nesvobodni in ziveli so v bedi!
Poturili so nam Jožeka...že to je..
In komunizem kateri nas je zahebal za 60let nazaj...njegove presezke pa bomo cutili se nadaljnih 100let...
Kamorkoli je stopila ruska noga so bili ljudje nesvobodni in ziveli so v bedi!
Prvo, daj poglej obnašanje profašističnih oblasti ki so prišli z državnim prevratom na oblast.
Od kje vlečeš Tita ki je že več kot 35 let mrtev, svojo državo imamo pa preko 20 let, pa bi lahko kaj naredili.
Da nas je komunizem poslal v leto 1930, ne vem no, nekaj se je pa le spremenilo na bolje, da ne rečem samostojnost 20+ let? Daj
še enkrat razmisli, rusi pa nikoli niso imeli ditektnega vpliva ne na jugo, ne na Slovenijo.
Sicer pa si se kdaj pogovarjal z ljudmi iz vzhodne evrope? Si bil kdaj tam v času socializma.
Pa daj povej, kaj so ukrajinci naredili dobrega za nas? Še dobro da nismo bili poljaki da bi nas ukrajinci klali z SS zastavo.
Raje malo razmisli kako bo ta vojna vplivala na nas! Jaz ne navijam za nobeno stran, rad bi da se vse skupaj konča čim prej in na miren način. Z silo ne bo ne zahod ne Kiev dosegel nič, razen sovraštva in žrtev.
Za začetek prepis enega od intervjujev
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week/#3949
We didn't even know why we were going here. We went here, and that's it. We just lost our way. They shot us with mortar shells. Then from the Russian side, they shot with Grads as well.
Interrogator: Your own people?
Milchakov: [Nods head several times.]
Ljubko. Bolje krste, kot priče na TVju.
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week/#3949
We didn't even know why we were going here. We went here, and that's it. We just lost our way. They shot us with mortar shells. Then from the Russian side, they shot with Grads as well.
Interrogator: Your own people?
Milchakov: [Nods head several times.]
Ljubko. Bolje krste, kot priče na TVju.
Da se ne boste razpocili. Ocitno so mejo preckali po nesreci in so se predali brez upora. Se BBC tako poroca.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213
Mimogrede, v tem casu je rusko mejo preckalo ze cca 500 ukr vojakov, pa niste sprozili alarma, da je to invazija Ukrajine na Rusijo.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28934213
Mimogrede, v tem casu je rusko mejo preckalo ze cca 500 ukr vojakov, pa niste sprozili alarma, da je to invazija Ukrajine na Rusijo.
Devet vojakov je resna formacija ki se jo je treba bati. Sploh pa če so to 18 let stari nabornikii.
Poglej kje je Novoazovsk, je tudi na tvojem zemljevidu, Njegova okolica je praktično meja z Rusijo. Raje poročaj ko bo nekaj deset tisoč Rusov prešlo čez mejo, namenoma, in ne slučajno.
Po meni znanih podatkih jih je bilo deset. Naj bi bili mejna patrola in naj bi bili zajeti blizu meje, brez kakršne koli borbe. Če bi bil garničar bi morda zastopil kako izgleda na meji. Se je dogajalo tudi na drugih mejah, če vojaki niso imeli dovolj prakse in poznavanj meje.
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Tvoj kvazi sarkastični komentar sploh ni na mestu. Mejo si ti videl samo na cestnem prehodu. O pravi meji nimaš pojma. Ja, jaz sem bil na meji. Pri nas je bil ''borbeni'' komplet 150 metkov, se pravi 1500 na deset vojkov, lahko bi se nastreljali kolikor bi hoteli. Se dogaja da se patrole izgubijo.
Pa daj razloži mi kaj naj počne mejna patrola brez orožja?
Do tedj pa kar nakladaj, kakšen napad Rusije je bil to na neoboroženo Ukrajino.