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darjan

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Kar bi bilo sila zanimivo, če bi obstajali posredni dokazi, da je ukrajina vedela za BUK na tem območju, ta BUK pa bi dobavila rusija. Bi potem izjava "rusije" da BUKa ni bilo, bila dovolj, ali bi sodišče ne glede na izjavo upoštevala dokaze
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Kakorkoli bo, bo ta sodni postopek farsa, če se bo začel pred zakjučkom uradne preiskave in je sploh nepotreben, ker če ni uradna preiskava končana, kakšne dokaze bodo jemali in jih tolmačili?

https://bellingcat.com/news/uk...owning-of-mh17/
 
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AndY1

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Jp, ampak objektivna odgovornost lahko nastopi tudi pred dejansko ugotovitvijo, kaj se je zgodilo, če se ve, da se je to zgodilo na področju, za katerega ti odgovarjaš.
Vsaj v Evropi tako letijo ministri,...
 
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darjan

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Ministri letijo za masikaj manj, tudi zaradi kakšne aferico s tajnico, pa še to ne pomeni da so potem na vrsti odškodnine.

Dejstvo je, da so uporniki bili slabo oboroženi in niso imeli v posesti orožja, ki bi lahko prišlo sploh bizu 10k višine, uradno. Če pa priznavaš da jim je rusija že prej dobavljala orožje, pa se s tem poveča tudi odgovornost rusije, ki je v tem primeru večja, kot ukrajinska, IMO.
 
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Wohoho, lepa
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Za tiste, ki se jim ne da klikat:



Ena slika je ruski konvoj v Rusiji, druga Buk na slavnem belo-modrem kamionu v Donetsku. Poleg drugih podobnosti je blatnik na obeh slikah poškodovan na istem mestu.
 
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Da ima Buk 53. protiletalske raketne brigade iz Kurska, ki je bil 23. junija posnet v konvoju na poti proti ukrajinski meji, identične poškodbe na blatniku kot Buk, ki je bil 17. julija zjutraj slikan v Donetsku.

Poleg tega imata obadva črno pobarvan plastičen pokrov radarja, manjka jima ena "ograjica" na vrhu pa oznake so vsaj zelo podobne.

Bi rekel, da bo Kursk ena prvih postaj preiskovalcev.
 
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darjan

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So ja, na njih ni zaslediti nič nenavadnega. Tudi izjava je že bila, da je bilo letalo sestreljeno.

Ne ve pa se še točno s čem, od kod je prišel izstrelek in kdo je odgovoren.

Pričakujejo pa, da bodo nekje v letu dni zaključili preiskavo.
 
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darjan

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AMSTERDAM--One of the passengers killed in the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine was wearing an oxygen mask, the Dutch minister of foreign affairs said, which could indicate that not all passengers died instantly when the plane was hit.

Frans Timmermans said in an interview on Dutch television late Wednesday that one of the victims of the plane crash was found wearing an oxygen mask. “So that person had the time to do that,” he said.

In a statement to the next of kin by the Dutch public prosecutor that was later posted on the website of public broadcaster NOS, the mask was checked for fingerprints, saliva and DNA, but it was unclear how the mask got around the neck of the victim, it said

Last month, officials leading the criminal investigation into the crash of MH17 said the plane was most likely shot down by a missile, but stopped short of saying who fired it.

The Netherlands had the highest death toll in the July 17 disaster that took the lives of 298 people, 196 of whom where Dutch. So far, 262 victims have been identified.
 
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Takle mamo - neuradno, ampak uradno:

German Intelligence Claims Pro-Russian Separatists Downed MH17


After completing a detailed analysis, Germany's foreign intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), has concluded that pro-Russian rebels were responsible for the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 on July 19 in eastern Ukraine while on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

In an Oct. 8 presentation given to members of the parliamentary control committee, the Bundestag body responsible for monitoring the work of German intelligence, BND President Gerhard Schindler provided ample evidence to back up his case, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence. The BND has intelligence indicating that pro-Russian separatists captured a BUK air defense missile system at a Ukrainian military base and fired a missile on July 17 that exploded in direct proximity to the Malaysian aircraft, which had been carrying 298 people.
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BND's Schindler says his agency has come up with unambiguous findings. One is that Ukrainian photos have been manipulated and that there are details indicating this. He also told the panel that Russian claims the missile had been fired by Ukrainian soldiers and that a Ukrainian fighter jet had been flying close to the passenger jet were false.

"It was pro-Russian separatists," Schindler said of the crash, which involved the deaths of four German citizens. A spokesman for the German Federal Prosecutor's Office told SPIEGEL that an investigation has been opened into unknown perpetrators because of the possibility that the crash had been a war crime.

Če je bil raketni sistem res zasežen Ukrajincem, potem je krivda tudi na njihovi strani. Vedeli so, da imajo avstralopiteki tehniko, ki doseže letala na "cruising height" in vseeno niso popolnoma zaprli zračnega prostora. V Donetsku, blizu letališča je bila sicer baza zračne obrambe.
 
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Če je to res, potem v vodo padejo vse teorije zarot, da jim je Putin dostavil BUK oz, da je BUK prišel iz Rusije in kakor si sam napisal, da so ukrajinci vedeli, da so jim separatisti zasegli BUK sistem in kljub temu niso zaprli zračnega prostora. Še več, civilna letala so tiste dni letela direktno nad ozemljem, kjer so potekali spopadi in kjer so bila dnevno sestreljena vojaška letala tudi na večjih višinah.
 
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Aja, po tvojem je tako, da če ti jaz ukradem avto, se zaletim in s tem ubijem cel avtobus, si ti kriv? Krive so fašistično- nacionalistično proruske svinje, saj zato pa Putin daje plin Ukrajincem, že ve zakaj! Putin je kriv ker je podpihoval upor in jih zalagal z orožjem ter ljudmi in to so dejstva!
 
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Ti kar ni jasno, a ne? Ne samo, da prikazuješ popolnoma napačno analogijo, ampak ok, za tebe nič novega. Si pač navadno trobilo, brez kakršega koli vrednega prispevka tej temi.

In ne, ne bom ti razlagal, zakaj se motiš, ker je to isto, kot da bi govoril steni. Pač, ni vredno. Vsi ostali razumemo poročilo BND-ja, še Pac_man je lepo razložil, ampak lej, pač ti ni pomoči. Guslaš in lajnaš svoje naprej.
 
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